everyone is capable of redemption...you would also expect that anyone who plays their instruments alot will gradually get better at them over time
which is why i cant understand the need for adding layers of extra production onto albums simply because you can afford to spend more money on it
if you are confident in your ability as a song writer there is no need for the extras
look at jose gonzalez...he is in reality not that great a vocalist but his song writing ability doesn't require extra layers of crap to shore it up...why?...because his guitar playing and his song writing speak for themselves and thats why it's been one of the most acclaimed albums of the last year
I never once mentioned him dissing Bush. He puts forward all this "Make Trade Fair!" nonsense, but when asked about it, he had no clue what the hell it meant.
They make dull, trite, derivative crap. If you like it, fine, but it's shit.
I don't diss a band unless I've heard enough to base my claims on. My sister has all three of their albums...IE: Might as well just have one. If you've heard one Coldplay song, you've heard them all.
If you rely more on marketing than you do on your music then you're more salesman than musician, end of story. Hence why Chris Martin relies on trying to make everyone like him, because he actually admits his music is shit. He actually does it on stage, he introduced one song as "This is crap, this is Westlife in disguise".
People then go "Awww, he's cute..." and buy the albums. That's not an artist, and Coldplay aren't true artists. That said, you're a girl...I've yet to find a die hard Coldplay fan who happens to be male and defend them in a way such as you.
exactly...i'm trying to think of an appropriate analogy and all i can think of is this
a true artist like van gogh creates a masterpiece for it's beauty...it may well end up being worth a shed load of money because his ability shines through although the huge amount of money was never the original intention
someone comes along and decides to make make cheap prints available of the van gogh painting in order to sell loads and make money
no talent is needed to copy someone elses art deliberately to make money
thats the equivalent of what coldplay do...the follow on the backs on people who make music for musics sake...one of those artists creates a new trend...coldplay mould their music to copy that trend deliberately to make money...
You seem to have a distinct, not too fancy, down to the core musical taste which is great for you if that floats your boat. However, music is far above and beyond just one style and tone.Just because Coldplay doesn't meet your standards for quiter performances, doesn't make them inferior musicians.
Coldplay, their second album A Rush of Blood to the Head specifically had critics soaring if acclaim is what you are looking for. They are very good at what they do. Everyone seems to acknowledge that except those who are I dunno...too stubborn to see.
I'm sorry but the immaturity you keep putting on display has me baffled. Don't know how seriously I should take your claims based on the tone of argument you choose to put forth.
Its just not what floats your boat. Why is that so hard for you to see? Does not meeting your musical standards make them inferior? ha. I'd fear for musicians if that had any ounce of truth to it. Especially after your recent talking about the lack of importance of lyrics in music.
haha. You're 'arguments' if you will only continue to baffle me further. WHY, oh WHY is 'good music' if you will dependant on a failure of sorts in its marketability? WHY can't 'good music' be commercially as well as musically be succeful. Coldplay are the whole package, hon. Nothing wrong with that picture at all.
He is beautiful. And he's an artist gifted with beautiful writing skills. You of course don't consider the importance of words so I suppose its a moot point anyway.
haha. Because you testestrone influed macho wannabes cringe at the very thought of some of males throwing away the concept of the overhyped 'machoism' and resort to creating heartfelt and pretty music that points to the fact that hard, too loud for the ears sound making need not necessarily apply. That's all there is to it.
IE: "I don't wish to accept that the man who's band I love, is an idiot and a tryhard.", fine with me. I speak nothing but the truth.
Yes, not meeting my musical tastes is what makes them inferior to me. What else would it be? I think they're shit, boring and uninventive in every single way possible, they try too hard and achieve even less in the eyes of people who know true artistry.
Lyrics don't "matter". They can be a great added bonus, but essentially they do not matter, and the fact that you believe they do is what retracts any credibility from anything you say. YOU may prefer lyrics, but FACTUALLY they are not equal to music. It's not up for debate. There are hundreds of bands in the world making great music, some with shit lyrics, some with good, some with excellent. The point is, the music is good throughout, which is what matters. Not the lyrics.
It's not dependent on marketability, and anyone who's loved music long enough would know such a thing. If you are shit, mediocre or poor, then it depends on marketability, a la Coldplay. Bands who make great music do not need to rely on that. Do you see how it works? Try finding music that isn't rammed down your throat by TV and tabloids, try buying what YOU want, not what you are told to buy, and maybe you'll get some worthy knowledge.
Coldplay change to serve their fans, which is BS. They're nothing more than piano playing Spice Girls, if that's the case.
Beautiful writing skills? He is playing you like an arcade machine, just like every Coldplay fan. If you like ONE Coldplay song, you'll more than likely be a fan of every album they ever do, why? Because Chris Martin can't do anything else, so he just keeps your money coming in by churning out the same album. I see it because I know better, you don't because...you don't.
Excuse me? Too loud for the ears? Aww you're scared of anything that isn't a British guy playing a piano? Poor you.
I own all different kinds of music, from heavy to soft. From ridiculously heavy to amazingly soft. It's not soft that I have a problem with, it's shit. IE: Coldplay.
It has nothing to do with the masses at all, I couldn't care any less about what the masses think. I like whatever I like, and I don't give a shit who agrees or disagrees with me, unlike you. I don't need to rabidly jump to the defense of a band I like, because I know they're great and I know I like them, so what anyone else says amounts to nothing. Coldplay fans, Fall Out Boy fans, *Insert another girly band here* fans, they all defend the bands because they think they are being "music fans".
However, the masses love what they are told to love, buy what they are told to buy, and are so eager to make themselves feel smart, that they'll buy a Coldplay album. If Coldplay made music I liked, I couldn't care less if everyone on Earth liked them, I'd like them, but they're shit, so I don't. The FACT is, people often like them because everyone else does, not because they like the band.
You however, seemingly have no concept, common sense or musical intellect or independence to speak of.
thats a misjudgement on your part...i have many bands with more complex music that is also brilliants written and brilliantly played...one of the better recent examples being the racontuers debet album...it is also getting lots of commercial success...proving that talent sells as much as trends do but is done for the art and has credibility
this is a pretty simple marker of what makes a musically skillful artist
can a shitty average, little talent pub band easily do covers of coldplay?...yes...i know this because i see it all the time
can your average shitty no talent pub singer do a cover version of jeff buckley's version of hallelujah?...cant say i've ever seen it done myself
of course if you had some experience of music you would have pulled me up on the fact that hallelujah isn't even a jeff buckley song....it's a Leonard Cohen cover version
which actually helps prove my point that if you were to go out and look for some music or take some of the recommendations from people on hear then you will most likely discover music that you will love far more than anything by coldplay
take papabeard's recommendation....midlake...i took it...bought the album "the trials of van occupanther" and it's absolutely brilliant
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No masses told me to enjoy the song "clocks". I heard it and got hooked. I wouldn't restrict this to Coldplay. I seen plenty of kids at the mall wearing patches with the names of certain metal bands in their jackets and some say they got into the music because some friend introduce him to it. They obviously do it...they have to be part of what they consider the "cool" group.
There are always exceptions, and there are always people who like bands because someone else does. Be it a magazine or be it friends.
There's a difference between being introduced to a band, liking them genuinely and going from there, and saying you like a band because everyone else seems to be doing so.
However, metal music, especially in England, isn't a massively mainstream genre. It's just not. The most "metal" band ever to appear on TRL is probably Avenged Sevenfold, and they're bland, passive, safe metal. Probably heavier than a Guns 'N' Roses or whatever. The chances that a guy got into Emperor from is friend, and genuinely likes them, is high. They're not exactly the in thing. Coldplay make immensely accessible music because they cannot do anything else. Proof being their back catalogue that might as well be one album. They were continually cited as this band making intelligent music, and as a result, they sold millions of albums.
If you like them for no other reason than hearing them and fancying them, fine, but let's not deny that everything I've said regarding Coldplay and their essential connection with the media is true. I'm not saying there aren't fans who genuinely like Coldplay aside from the hype and advertising, but that is how Coldplay sell their records, mostly. They're more successful and revered in the US than they are here, also.
We're not talking about all genres though are we? We're discussing Coldplay, because this is a Coldplay thread about Coldplay, the band.
Some bands don't intend to be the focal point of a fad or a certain amount of attention, but it happens anyway. Coldplay actually tried to make it happen because if they didn't, they'd go under the bridge. James Blunt is also more liked in American...I'm seeing a pattern here.
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Yes, this is the Coldplay thread. Of course we're talking about Coldplay. Didn't I mention "clocks"? You're the one that brought the whole "the masses love what they are told to love" comment and I just had to address it. See, in reality we don't really know if these bands don't intend to be focal or part of a fad....they just become. Whether they do or not they become fads...it's what the "cool kids" listen to. I'm sure you have your reasons for not liking Coldplay's music...we all have reasons not to like a certain type of songs. Not saying is a negative...but mentioning what the masses are told to follow will generate a separate issued. No worries I'm not trying to bug ya.
The masses do love what they are told to love, anyone currently residing on Earth knows this. You liking something that they also like doesn't automatically make you one of them, though, nor would I ever say as much.
Just showing that a lot of the masses love Coldplay because Coldplay are the band to love.
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Jul 4th, 2006 08:48 PM
Nothing wrong with that picture at all.
