the truth is Q.T. wanted to release kill bill incompletion but miramax said no. and rightfully so because no one can sit through a 4 1/2 hour movie no matter how good it is.
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I love Kill Bill it is simply one of the BEST action flicks I've seen in a while. This weekend will be my fourth time watching Kill Bill. Setting aside the blood and the violence Kill Bill has given me what I been wanting for a looong time A "heroine". Long gone are the days (for me) in which the hero rescues a damsel in distress. Now it's the ladies turn to slash the baddies in pieces. Films like "Charlie's Angels" did not deliver such Female fatales but rather disappointed me. Speaking of "Charlie's Angels" Lucy Liu is very adorable in this film. Good Lord she is such an awesome Villain and she has that sex appeal which makes her so unique.
I got to admit that the Male Testosterone was nowhere present in this film. The ladies Rule this film and they kick major butt!! Uma, Daryl, Vivica, Lucy, Chiaki, and even Julie (she is so beautiful) characters were so entertaining to watch that at least one of them deserve to be nomitated.
QT thank you for giving us (your fans) another great film!!
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Plot? There was a plot? No, I think it was just an excuse for a B action movie.
Tarentino (T. for short) has finally joined his beloved protege filmmakers in the legend of the B cults. This movie really NEEDS to go straight to video however and anyone who labels it a "masterpiece" or "art" probably thinks "Plan 9 from Outer Space" is a great movie too. Come to think of it, Plan 9 IS a great movie compared to "K.B." because Plan 9 is SO bad that it is at least risible.
T. has been going steadily d.hill (that's DOWN) since he peaked with his masterpiece Pulp Fiction in '94. The latest, "Kill Bill" proves that he, too, can make a bad movie.
Yes, this one had some moments...by the time the ugly Chinese girl chops off the Yakuza Don's head I was sitting up in my seat thinking...oh, okay, here comes da Judge -- I mean plot -- FINALLY, but alas, it was but a fleeting moment in an avalanche of long, drawn out fights scenes and general silliness -- NO plot to speak of.
By the way, opaqueness doth noth an artsy movie make. Compare with, say, "Mulholland Drive" which is rather difficult to understand but has a brilliant underlying message. K.B. is just a sorry excuse for a string of nonsequitor fight scenes all arranged around a childish revenge plot.
Don't bother seeing it until it comes out on video, and even then, anyone who wants to watch this more than once to understand it more fully will probably also be found in the dubbed Asian martial arts movie sections.
Overall: FLAWED, HAS MOMENTS -- One and a half out of four stars.
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I almost fell for it until I read the Mulholland Drive part. That movie sucked. Kill Bill rocked. Great throwback to movies that just aren't made anymore with the T. twist. I loved it.
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Re: K.B. - a movie screen is a terrible thing to waste
You are very entitled to your opinion so maybe I will be easy on you. First, when you saw the movie poster and the adds did it ever occur to you that Kill Bill could be a totally different Tarantino movie? You said "no plot" hmmm... so I guess the bride's revenge is out of your view then.
Funny you mention "Planet 9 from Outer Space" in your review. Are you pretty much aware that is one of Ed Wood's most notirous film? Were you also aware that the film was funded by Christian Producers trying to modify the film according to their view? Fortunally Mr Wood did not allowed producers to control him and made the film the way he want it. Sure it is not even a good film but unlike today's directors, Mr Wood did not allowed outside interferiance in his film. Planet 9 from Outer Space maybe a crappy film in your view but it sure has become a "Cult Classic" for many fans.
I find it very interesting that you also mention "Mulholland Drive" and then said "a brilliant underlying message". Really? so you actually found such discovery by digging deep into the Psychoanalysis of the film? if so could you explain it to me because until this date not many folks still can't figure the meaning of the film. All I can tell you about is that the film allows the audience to lose their imagination drift into a current of events unfolding in the film. Pretty much like Hermann Hesse's book "Steppenwolf".
Now let's get back to the Kill Bill topic. So the film did not appeal to you right? Well, that's fine maybe you are not much of a fan of kung fu films. Yet still, if the idea of women fighting like warriors and using their physical bodies (rather than allow a PC to do all the work) to portray their characters doesn't appeal to you......maybe you overlooked the film? If computer graphic movies are your idea of action fighting then maybe old special effects (Wire cable and blood pumps) cinema are dead in your world.
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I loved it, best movie I have seen i a long time, this year at least. What's up with the cat talking about Mullholland Drive being better, if it was not for the lesbian scene in MF I would have walked out.
I just saw it and thou I enjoyed it...there isnt 1 single original take in it.
The plot is a basic revenge plot with its most common twist [SPOILER - highlight to read]: "Does she know her daughter is still alive?"
QT disappointed me big time with the Pussy waggon thing. Doesnt seem like him to have such a HUGE mistake. If you dont follow: She leaves the hospital in his car, then goes to Japan and gets the sword and kills O-Ren then comes back and uses the car to drive to Copperheads house?? Did she leave a car, which the police are looking for for quite some time (cant recall how much time passes) and then use it to drive to Cooperheads house? Wtf?? Also the amount of blood Sofie Fatale loses would have, at least, put her unconscious but...Not to mention that legs, feet and toes arent the only parts of the body that gets atrophied
The cartoon part is ok thou its a bit long and the cartoons look awful (I know they are suppose to be like that) its a different way to give info (lots of info on O-Ren and very little on Copperhead but theres still vol 2).
QT seems to have a thing for Chapters thou, I'm cool with that. I like movies that dont follow a sequence.
I also liked the fight scenes (except a bit that the camera is out of focus in The brides fight with Copperhead (Vivica A. Fox).
Overall its entertaining but not the master piece ppl are saying. At least not on its own.
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QT disappointed me big time with the Pussy waggon thing. Doesnt seem like him to have such a HUGE mistake. If you dont follow: She leaves the hospital in his car, then goes to Japan and gets the sword and kills O-Ren then comes back and uses the car to drive to Copperheads house??
Yes..you are right. Nine hours on the pussy car trying to move one finger without anyone searching for here made me confusion too....or the BM impossible fights against the Yakuza )
But this is a movie and Tarantino knows it better than us.
It is a great movie. Better than Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown but my preference still goes to Reservoir Dogs which surprised me at that time.
I enjoyed it all. It is perfect how a simple story can be transformed by Tarntino in a such good movie. It is a basical story with "clichés" and scenes for all tastes and picked from all style of movies. The movie is a big "Kitch" mix, since the manga cartoons, the almost gore scenes of blood wich are the same as Kurosawa made in "Kagemusha", the always present Yakuza dominated by Lucy liu , the sexual characters, an superb soundtrack, the vengeance, the dark humour..all together in an excellent movie.
I particularly liked the sfight of Uma and Lucy with "Flamenco" music on background. It seems to me that Lucy movements were guided by the music )
I must see it again with Reservoir Dogs DVD tonight to remind me.
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I agree with Kes. This movie wasn't original at all. The fight scenes were not that good. It has not plot either. It was just a revenge story. The story was flawed too. It seemed only her legs had atrophy. If you just got out of a four year coma. You would have trouble lifting your arms. But she slammed a guys head in a door. Crawled to a wheelchair and wheeled herself into a car. Then healed her leg atrophy in 12 hours. The blood work was awful. People cant talk with half a brain either and just because no CGI was used in this film doesn't make up for the fact that it sucked.
Yes, people can talk with half a brain, it just depends on what part of the brain you are missing, and she didn't even lose half her brain, only her scalp and the top of her skull were cut off.
Not everyone is completely paralyzed after coming out of a coma, and even if they are, it wont neccesarily take that long for them to gain movement. Uma Thurman's character is also very strong and determined, so what may be difficult for some may be easier for her.
The blood work is supposed to be awful. Well, not really awful, but overly used and exaggerated. Anyway the movie is basically an homage to all the great kung fu/anime movie. Thats also why it wasn't "original" (even though it was). Either way, the fight scenes were great. They were full of non-stop yet useful action and they were amazingly choreographed. MUCH better than anything the Wachowski Bros. can pull out of their asses. That fight scene in Reloaded looked so fake!
A revenge plot is a tried and true method of executing a story, revenge is one of the strongest human emotions you can feel, it is easy for everyone to relate to a revenge plot, and if the characters are developed well, you feel the same anger and hatred for the villian characters as the good guy's do. This is the case in Kill Bill, along with some other very strong films.
As far as the pussy wagon thingy, that's just knit picking something that may be explained in the next installment, it probably isn't a good idea to complain about unanswered questions or illogical happenings in a film that isn't even half way complete.
Besides, QT isn't one to follow logic in his films, he tends to abandon logic in favor of over the top entertainment and characters, much like other movies, you have to take some sequences with a grain of salt and just remember - "hey, it's only a movie." I don't see this as a flaw, since lack of logic can make some films more interesting, especially when they are Spoofs, which Kill Bill is.
And for the record, Kill Bill is incredibly original. It's fun filled execution, over the top feel, and constant reminder from QT that this movie was made soley to sit back and have fun with, made it one of the most refreshing films I've seen in a long time. One thing I loved about the movie (along with all other QT movies) is that it never takes itself too seriously, it remembers that it's a kung foo homage film that is meant to be both a spoof and a homage to the old kung foo B movie's.
Yes it's cheezy, yes parts of it are silly and some downright ridiculous, bu tthe movie is supremely entertaining, more so then most other movie's released this year. That fact alone deminishes any of the above complaints, because quite frankly, I've yet to meet someone who wasn't entertained by this film... and if a film can entertain nearly everyone, no matter what their tastes, then knitpicking can't be taken too seriously, just as the illogical occurances shouldn't be taken too seriously either.
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Hmm, people tell me its good not necessarily cos of the movie, but of Tarantino's rebellious style (Haven't seen it yet so take it easy with the spoilers.)
After 4 years with no movement the muscles are ****ed up for lack of a better word. If she had just started walking I would have ignored it but since he went to all the trouble of making her paralised from the waist down then the arms shouldnt move either.
True, but kill Bill is still not original.
Not knit picking. Its a huge mistake but true it can be explained i the next movie. I hope it is.
Kill Bill is as original as a parody or homage film can be, since it is taking material from other movies and combining them into it's own story, it is impossible for it to be really unique, however, it's execution and the fact that QT never ever takes it seriously makes it incredibly refreshing, and unlike anything else that has been made in recent memory.
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>Kes
I don't want to post spoilers but she is NOT paralyzed. The shot was in the head not in the spine, vertebra, or backbone (however you would like to call it because I don't know much about Human Physiology) As for the muscles they could be numb or don't respond immediatly to her reaction.
But also consider that there is the probability that the nurses in the Hospital might Massage the comma patients and maybe that's why she is not entirely paralysed. After all Buck did mention to the Rapist to becareful not to hurt her because the nurse gives her attendance each mornings. So who knows maybe the massages could help the Bride not to be entirely paralyse.
Bah!!! It is a movie not reality. Better, It was a Tarantino movie not reality.
It is a great movie not a cientifical movie. Tarantino knew for sure what was doing. You are all trying to demonstrate cientifically what has not explanation.
The story is pure non-sense entertainment made by Tarantino and it is great for that.
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Did she leave a car, which the police are looking for for quite some time (cant recall how much time passes) and then use it to drive to Cooperheads house? Wtf?? Also the amount of blood Sofie Fatale loses would have, at least, put her unconscious but...Not to mention that legs, feet and toes arent the only parts of the body that gets atrophied 
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