If old school Juggy comes back then he is a match for savage Hulk. Current Juggy is on Colossus and Things level now. By the way does anybody really know what happened to Juggy in X-men #164? I am kinda lost on that one.
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What madness? People are actually argueing that Jugg's is as strong or stronger than Hulk now? Is that because of the time he couldn't move his feet out of wet cement? Or the time it took him 10 years or something like it to get out from underneath a hill of rubble?
No wait! It must be because he's destroyed a planet in a single punch! Or because he ripped open onslaught! Or because he broke threw constricters adamantium coils! Maybe it was because of the time he dented Ultron! No wait I've got it! It's because of of the time he held up a 150billion ton mountain!
war murdered juggie end of story, yes he used celestial magic to STOP him , but come on he was gonna lose his head for goodness sake, talk about reading the comics to understand the characters, er at what point in that fight do we see hulk do anything other than control juggie?????
* reading bios, etc gives u an understanding to read and understand the comics better, also like i said i have no intension of memorising issues etc, i read the comics to enjoy them, ill memorise their bios etc as this indicates what the writers should be implying in their comics..
*hell be back, if he is as powerful as u say how come he was depowered so considerably?
* pulling hulks hair, hmmm like i said who ended up slammed into a mountaion when he pissed hulk off there???? hmmmmm not bad for a tired guy supposadly in pain er not.
* hulk has not had a reasonable conclusion to any fight with juggie and vice versa, alwys stopped or something contraversial, only war would walk out a decisive victor. and thats my point , apoc has celestial power to stop hurt juggie and also the same strength increase as hulk so like wasr would murder juggie, END
* juggie is true to his original bio in the cards i was talking about, it was classic juggie, not x man juggie, dont assume i know not what i mean frind.
* lastly u keep bringing this up, a hulk on the verge of insanity crap, well if the writers are not having him escalate dramaticaly in strength ( and he wasnt in this fight with juggie, certainly not like he has in other fights) then well i cant say anything, maybe he was not angry but depressed, i dont know?
p.s im still not sure about the grey hulk thing i will go back to some of my older bios etc to see the stronger madder issue eorted, im hapy though to admit i may be wrong on this point.
also tron, now go back and read hulks bio from that same page, ( well like the bible said dont argue with fools) its a good job u cant argue with yourself then.
* oh and it said in the juggie bio more than strong enough to beat hulk( and thor) , as i recall the only time hulk was knocked out ( defeated) was as prof hulk, wever discussed on here the irrelevance of that.
* also as weve said juggie, finite ( unknown levels of strength)/ hulk limitless not yet seen the maximum of , so thank u tron for proving me right
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tough Guy also tron, now go back and read hulks bio from that same page, ( well like the bible said dont argue with fools) its a good job u cant argue with yourself then.
* oh and it said in the juggie bio more than strong enough to beat hulk( and thor) , as i recall the only time hulk was knocked out ( defeated) was as prof hulk, wever discussed on here the irrelevance of that.
* also as weve said juggie, finite ( unknown levels of strength)/ hulk limitless not yet seen the maximum of , so thank u tron for proving me right
I never questioned hulks limitless strength simply put into perspective of how mad can someone get before you break down.
well like the bible said dont argue with fools) its a good job u cant argue with yourself then.
good job i cant argue with myself? child. cant give anyone words of wisdom anymore without them taking it the wrong way
also as weve said juggie, finite ( unknown levels of strength )
Sure what if it is finite but we still dont know how far the rabbit hole goes
I did read hulks bio and apocalypse and holocausts and a few others so what? Hulk has great strength ive never argued that, also i dont see your point do you have one? If you do please tell me what it is because i am a "fool"
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talon: saying it's finite although unmeasurable is still saying it has a limit, just unknown because the comics really don't have a way to measure his strength...
juggs is a bad mamma-jamma don't get me wrong, these guys are pretty much both one-dimensional fighters and this fight would be a toe to toe, *** for tat, slugfestival...One punching the other, the other slamming the lack and so on...I'd reason hulk having the advantage because while Hulk is fighting Jugg's his power would constantly be rising nonstop..
It could go either way indeed accoriding to circumstances but if I was forced to pick a winner I'd go with the guy who's power WE KNOW doesn't stop..
I understand what you are saying and that is your opinion and I have no right to say you are wrong but this is how i see it.
Yes hulk will raise his strength but (this is where my opinion comes in) no matter how strong hulk gets he will no be able to hurt juggernaut, so there for in my eyes he cannot win.
Hulk is one of few that can successfully throw juggernaut but at the same time i don't see hulk very easily dismissing juggernaut without giving a fight in which i believe juggernaut will dominate in physical strength.(also my opinion, and also he has proving to more than a match physically for hulk).
If juggernaut does decide to use his head in this fight, (I doubt he would being he is invulnerable to physical attacks) and summon his force field so hulk cannot even throw him, leaving hulk to do what tough guy says and bury him under tons of rock but even so that will not stop him for long. (if even minutes an angry juggernaut isn't gonna stay held down for long)
even if he does do that he was trapped in 40-foot cocoon of solid steel,The Juggernaut exploded out in violent fashion by flexing his arms. Thor #412
now i know spider-man trapped him in concrete and had to take time to get out i cant explain that, you think he would just break out like he did the steel. (Maybe the writer didn't know who he was writing about, or maybe that was the only logical way he could think of spider-man winning)
Now i know hulk cannot be so easily looked over and he will give a hell of a fight, also don't get me wrong but how do you beat what you cannot hurt, cannot make bleed, cannot cause damage too, he doesn't need to breath, eat, or sleep if he uses all of his advantages he can come out on top.
Now if juggernaut does not let hulk throw him and they fight non stop hulk will begin to tire leaving him more vulnerable. (I know I am gonna get some heat about the stuff I'm saying, but i cant see hulk winning, not straight up at least)
Now this is a debate not a bash people's opinions or bash the two contenders and I am sorry if I did so n the past.
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Damn, i love juggernaught. He looks cool as hell, has a cool name and cool powers. I just want him to comeback superpowered like 8thday juggernaught but even more powered up and a lot smarter then turn into a true evil supervillain.
Whether his head would've actually been cut off or not is highly debateable, and if he succeeded, who knows if it wouldv'e really killed him, or if he would've been a pissed off headless Juggernaut, or if it would've grown back.
Apparantly, you've never read any of Chuck Austen's work. Why he was depowered so much, simple answer, because Chuck Austen sucks. He's pretty much unitentionally said that he was ignorant to Juggernaut's abilities, and his past with the X-Men and Marvel in general. He's screwed up characters and stories in Uncanny X-Men, Avengers, and even Action Comics for DC. He does stories while completely ignoring characters' pasts, and any continiuty. I could go on all day about Chuck "The Suck", but I just don't have that much time.
No denying that, the pain of having him neck twisted is enough motivation for Hulk to continue the fight. Slamming into the mountain was merely chance though, since Hulk was actually trying to toss him across the landscape (one of the few ways I said Hulk could win). And, Juggernaut would've continued the fight if it weren't for the X-Men.
Lot smarter? I like how he is, cep for the depowered, dead part most of us would love to see juggernaut come back powered up and maybe a little more. Cyttorak needs to give him a bonus for being a good examplar (he just needs to forget about when juggernaut attacked him, although it was funny )
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we keep going back to the juggie being stronger in a fight, my friends his would be a minutely small amunt of time as hulk does not hang about when he needs to up his power, u have to remember most fights he has he starts the under dog, ( thor, abom, ravage) hulk will not be beaten on strength, thats his character an unsrpassable amount of rage and strength. sure juggie is invulnerable ( theoretically) yet is only a part time character so we cant be sure of this, hulk regularly proves he is the strongest , though i know there are slip ups on the way, ( namour, abom, some stalemates) where he hasnt reached the required strength that time for some reason, but a comic will write the winner with relevance to the story, and the good guys somehow coming out on top, or losing only to win the next time with more gusto.
* now i was not having a go at u talon but reding those bios for hulk, and juggie, does not state anything more than ive said, juggie is hugely powerful, but thtas a magic,, which really seems to help hid excellent durability, his strength whilst very strong is not as formidable in potential as hulks, after all we also know far more about hulks potential as he is a far more recurring character, also regarded as marvels top powerhouse.
without going on, as the top powerhouse which im always seeming to pick up from what i read i think u need to start coming up with alternatives to beat him rather than saying well heres another beefcake to do the job., hulk is the only limitless beefcake so to me thats a silly argument to put forward.
* tron i have read a little of astins work, here u see u highlight why i look at comics being inconsistant and of little use to a debate like this, as officialy by comics juggie is dead, therefore the seeds of doubt to his invulnerability and power creep in to us readers.
nearly there, talon stop hoping for a limit to hulks madness its a comic, not reality, and thats his power so why argue, when i read dc i find it hillarious that flash runs twice the speed of light, but its comics.
lastly the force field would be used by a juggie getting beaten so severely that its his last hope of protection, ( or else why does he have it if he is so invulnerable), and whats to stop hulk picking up the ground juggie is standing on and lobbing that with juggie ?????force field or not
Im not hoping for hulk not to be limitless, Juggernaut beating him would add to his bragging rights.
Yet you seem to be putting on a limit to juggernauts durability, why is that maybe you do see my point about if hulk cannot hurt juggernaut then how can he beat him.
But hey you can still cling to the small chance that juggernaut will let hulk throw him into a mountain or something.
Now why if someone has unlimited strength why would he throw juggernaut instead of beating on him. (hulk knows he is invulnerable why do you put limits on it) Would hulk just throw him then walk away knowing he will come back.(after juggernaut "gets thrown he will be pissed) Or will hulk go after him like war did? (Wouldn't be smart cause juggernaut would be pissed)
Now his forcefield I Wouldn't think would knock hulk out, but the other people that has come in contact with his forcefield has been knocked out.
He uses his forcefield for fight like when he first appeared and this be roller came out of the wall he summoned his forcefield and it stopped it and threw it back at beast. In the thor fight the writer misinterpret juggernauts power he thought it was his forcefield that made him invulnerable so when thor nullified it he could hurt him. sorta lame on the writers part
Your not going to convince me that hulk will win this debate is going in circles, by now im not going to convince you either
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later guys.
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