Did you know I also wrote a dictionary? It contains all the definitions as written down by me. I guess that's pretty factual, then? So now me not being a Nirvana fan is officially a fact, according to my dictionary.
EDIT: Yes, I'm Dutch and so is my name.
Last edited by Bierbommetje on Aug 8th, 2006 at 09:42 PM
It's not factual, it's you using existing words in a way that suits you because you don't like the fact that you are a fan of Nirvana, it's also one of the more stupid posts I've seen on KMC's music forum.
I seriously don't understand your problem, do you hate the band? No. Do you like the band? Yes. Do you like their music? Yes. Their albums? Yes.
Therefore, you are a fan. Why is there any debate? Why did you come into this thread to say "I really like Nirvana's music, but I'm not a fan."?
Why do you flatter your self so much ? I reply and debate here just like you reply and debate.
Well, he's probably more a fan of Nirvana than I am of Mike Patton. But it's his decision if he wants to be called a fan or no.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
I knew it ! I knew it from the moment I saw "Bier" in your nick
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
I wouldn't disagree with you just because it was you, though. I know you from other forums, and regardless of my opinion of you, I know you're not as stupid as that.
He is sitting there saying "I like them, I really like their albums.", he is clearly a fan.
Fans all the same, though. You say everything is black and white, to me, but I'm not the one with an fist-tight idea of what fan means. It means what it says it means.
If he doesn't like me calling him a fan, that's different. He is one, though. Some people don't like their birthnames, but factually, that is their name, regardless of what they go by.
Ok, I'm gonna put if differently, perhaps you'll understand where I'm coming from:
I'm not speaking English... it's actually Bierbommian, which is derived from the English Language, with some slight alterations here and there.
In Bierbommian, the word "Fan" actually means someone who is at least moderately fanatic about something.
Yes, you're right, I made up a language. And? Every language basicely started this way. Mankind made up a means of communication. It all spawned from the human brain. Including this one.
I do get your point, actually, everything come from somewhere.
However, I'm in two-minds about whether you are legitimately serious, or if you're just posing as some idiot who believes he can invent a language, go by a definition existing purely because he doesn't like being called a fan, and expecting it to be taken seriously.
I'm hoping the latter.
Here's the crux of the matter: Do you like Nirvana's albums, do you like the band? The answer is "Yes" and "Yes" isn't it?
I'm not trying to pose, so I guess it's the first. Sorry for disappointing you.
I like the band and their albums, but I'm not an ardent devotee. I don't feel any strong enthousiasm for Nirvana, nor am I passionate about them. I just like 'em. Nothing more.
Then you have less intelligence that I gave credit for.
I like the band and their albums, but I'm not an ardent devotee. I don't feel any strong enthousiasm for Nirvana, nor am I passionate about them. I just like 'em. Nothing more. [/B][/QUOTE]
You obviously feel enthusiasm to some degree, because you aren't neutral to them. You like them, you like their albums, so you are a fan to some degree.
You have enthusiasm, do you not? Are you neutral to Nirvana? No. Do you hate or dislike Nirvana? No.
Do you like them and their work? Yes, so you have enthusiasm enough to fall on one side of the fence. You are a fan, you like their albums.
If you say "Please don't call me a fan, I dislike that word", I will refrain from using that WORD. It doesn't change the fact that you are a fan though.
1. One who is filled with enthusiasm; one who is ardently absorbed in an interest or pursuit: a baseball enthusiast.
2. A zealot; a fanatic.
I know you're gonna comment on the "filled with enthusiasm" bit. Seeing as it doesn't literally mention the ammount, that is open to interpertation. But looking at what follows behind the ; I think it's safe to guess it doesn't just mean a bit, seeing as someone who is ardently absorbed in an interest is hardly just being a little enthusiastic.
I'm neither an enthusiast or an ardent devotee when it comes to Nirvana, and therefore not a fan.
en·thu·si·asm
n.
Great excitement for or interest in a subject or cause.
A source or cause of great excitement or interest.
You have interest in them, furthermore, you have a positive opinion and liking for them. Ergo, you have enthusiasm.
Admittedly, that's all very, very pointless and I've given you far too much time regarding the pathetic claim that you are not a fan of the band despite liking them and their work, that's my fault.
You're a Nirvana fan, that's about all there is to it. Like it or not, you are.
How in your warped little mind did you conclude that I'm getting the definitions wrong, when you're sitting there saying "I like them, but I'm not a fan."?
The irony is, you spoke out against the dictionary when it proved you wrong, so now you're using it? Funny that.
Another funny thing is that it says "Great excitement for (end) OR interest.", nothing about great interest, just excitement.
This is all pointless. Why won't you accept that liking a band means you're a fan? Let's do a test, I'll make a thread, we'll see how well this bs holds up there.
Apparantly dictionary.com never proved me wrong, actually it proves me right. I still stand by my point that dictionaries are not the be all and end all of definitions, though. Doesn't mean I can't agree with it.
That's the reason "or" is Italic. Had it meant what you think it means, the or would not have been Italic. Anyone remotely familiar with language knows this.
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