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Qui-Gon didn;t 'use; speed to run away from the tanks on Naboo because it is celar that it is not something that you can use ALL the time, just in short bursts. Using the Force seems to take it out of you.
Likewise, Obi-Wan had just executed a HUGE Force-powered leap and needed to recover in THAT sense. It didn't mean that he was not physically capable enough to fight Maul, in any sense.
Meanwhile, the fight had moved away from the entrance to the energy shields by the time they had opened the second time. He could have safely darted in, perfectly safe from Maul.
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No he couldn't. I don't even know why this is still an issue. It's so obvious that it was far too dangerous to use something like that during the battle.
The fight hadn't moved anywhere. There were still the three dangers. The energy doors, the pit and Maul.
It's only you two who seem to have a problem with it.
Put yourself in Obi-Wans shoes. Your in the middle of a fight. In front of you are large enrgy doors which not even a lightsabre can cut through. Beyond that there is a huge pit. Then you have a Sith with a double ended lightsabre who's intent on killing you.
Would you really use force-speed to charge into that situation? No way.
Ush, Maul was a very big problem. He already managed time and again to fight off both Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. It would have been so easy for him to kill Obi-Wan if he was charging at him with force-speed.
And your making it sound like Jedi are invincible because of there senses. As if other dangers don't matter because they'll be able to avoid it or get out of any situation. And if you beleive that then there is no point continuing this because it's silly.
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It';s not only us two. We have had the most official explanation we are ever going to get. If it is flawed, it is only as falwed as your tehroy.
Maul was NOT near the doors at the time. In fact, Qui-Gon was between Obi-Wan and Maul. There is no way Maul could have cut Obi-Wan down, and that's assuming that Obi-Wan would have been totally unable to block while on the move. After all, the run into combat all the time duting the fight earlier.
And YES I would have rushed in there, because I know that I have perfect timing and my amster needs me! Obi-Wan is also brash and hasty. The only possible reason that I can think of to explain why Obi-Wan did not run in is because he COULD NOT, not because it was dangerous.
I'm not saying that they can magically get out of any siutation. Bit I am saying they are cetsainly capable of the timing required to run in at high speed and stop in time.
So I feel my argument to be perfectly valid. You cannot prove that your explanation is any more credible than the offiical one. Both are debatable. Whilw we may never know for sure, I will happily go with the official one, thanks.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
Well, you think it's rediculous, I'm only saying which stuff I would do if I couldn't stop (and a trained Jedi would know how to stop!)
and remind you that you can always jump over the pit!
I'm saying that this was completly different circumstances. He'd be flying straight into Maul, the pit or the doors! It's not like using it to escape down an empty corridor.
Maul: QGJ was fighting him so he is no problem
the pit: he could jump over it
the doors: why can't he stop correct???? he is trained in using the Force!
WRONG, Qui-Gon had been fighting him from the start and he still managed to fight Obi-Wan as well. Maul had NO problem fighting two Jedi at once as you saw all through the fight. Saying Maul was pre-occupied with Qui-Gon so he couldn't fight Obi-Wan is nonsense. He managed to fight both of them very well before.
Why should he have to? If you have to jump over the pit then YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING FORCE-SPEED!
The doors were solid. Not even a lightsabre could cut through them. That means they were dangerous. Plus, the were close together and opened and closed fast. WATCH THE SCENE! Obi-Wan is running normally but when the doors close he slides on the floor because he is trying so hard to stop. He barley stopped as it was. There is NO way he would be able to stop if he was using force-speed.
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I'll say again: the fight had moved away from the dfoors and QGJ was between Obi-Wan and Maul. Maul was no risk. And AGAIN., the Jedi had been running into combat all the way through the fight. As one of the bases of our argument is that they can time their moves at speed perfectly well, of they could run in before they could run in again. And that's onlt if Maul had been in a position to hurt Obi-Wan if he ran through, which he wasn't.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
No one would use force speed to charge into that fight. It would be stupid.
Watch the scene again!!!! Obi-Wan finds it hard to stop as it is. Jedi aren't perfect! There is absolutley NO WAY that you could use force-speed to run over what was a very short distance and stop in time. You only have to look at the one time we have seen them use it to realise that it doesn't make any sense.
I don't know how clear I can make it. Look on some other forums for similar topics and they all agree.
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Of course hw would have stopped in time. He was no amateur. He stopped as fast as possible as it was, he would also have stopped as fat as possible if he was moving at high speed. He wouldn't have NEEDED to stop at high speed.
Why NOT use Force speed to charge in? Get into the fight as quickly as possible, that's the way. They run and charge in, why not speed in?
I again maintain that the ONLY circumtance under which Obi-Wan would not have charged in was if he COULD not, it ebing merely dangerous would make no difference. As it is, there are a dozen ways he could have speeded in safely. Any why not jump the pit as well? Anything to be IN there! Anything betternthan being trapped in the sodding fields! No. He did not use speed because he could not at that point.
I don;t know what you mean about looking to toher topics and they all agree.
What I don;t get is that you have presented an argmument that can be debated, but then assume that it is utterly right and annot be contradicted. Where as the official explanation, which is just as good, is apparently 'obviously' wrong just because you don't like it very much.
The truth is that we will never know why Obi-Wan didn;t use speed. It is not explained in film and in the end is down to speculatiopn. Now the official people have given an official explanation that is not so ludicrous as to be dismissed out of hand, and your criticise me for accepting that and not your own at least equally flawed theory.
Well, I am going to accept the official explanation and so will most people.
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Oct 27th, 2001 10:26 PM
The doors were solid. Not even a lightsabre could cut through them. That means they were dangerous. Plus, the were close together and opened and closed fast. WATCH THE SCENE! Obi-Wan is running normally but when the doors close he slides on the floor because he is trying so hard to stop. He barley stopped as it was. There is NO way he would be able to stop if he was using force-speed.
