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sand person no. 10
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Registered: Jun 2001
Location: West Midlands UK
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Palpatines planning flaw
I've just been watching tpm, and i have a problem with part of the pot. If amidala had been captured and signed the treaty how would palpatine have got into power, the trade federation would have done nothing wrong, there would be no call for Valorums resignation and Palpatine would have no sympathy vote. I do not believe that Sidious knew admidala wouldn't sign the treaty, he was pretty serious when the ship had escaped to tatooine so how did he expect to be elected chancellor without admidala and the sympathy vote? 
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Aug 22nd, 2001 11:57 PM |
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Ushgarak
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What? How the heck was Palpatine getting a sympathy vote anyway? Ebveryone KNEW that the Trade Federation had done, but nothing official could be done about it; that is why he got such sympathy.
The Queen would have signed the treaty and been killed. Palpatine would have made the no-confidence vote himself to become Chancellor, and then presumably would have 'saved' Naboo after motivasting the Rpublic and become the hero of the hour.
Things didn't go as planned but aside from losing Maul he pretty much got what he wanted.
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Aug 23rd, 2001 12:11 AM |
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Zereil
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Although it is also plausable that with a new government created for Naboo held by the Trade federation would have given a hold of another swaying vote and stronger stance in the galaxy given the already constructed blockade and would now have further resources...although Ush you probably are correct either that or perhaps he foresaw the failures of the fedration particularly given there obvious ineptitudes despite strong military power stance,
for god sake leaving the hanger wide open and next to the reactor. Then again Naboo didnt ever think to try flying in there either...
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Aug 23rd, 2001 10:16 AM |
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yerssot
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He didn't knew a thing: They didn't tell him that there were Jedi involved because the Trade Federation didn't tell him. He just sended Maul because he didn't had someone else. And afer Maul said that there were Jedi he went for Naboo to finish the job. I agree with Ush: Palpy would still be a hero, whatever he would do because his planet was in danger so he easily got a sympathy-vote. Making him the Chancelor, because he is strong: he can 'bogg down the senate in procedures, they will have no choice but to accept the treaty.
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Aug 23rd, 2001 02:43 PM |
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KJ
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I still have problems understanding the plot as well. Which makes it more amazing when people say there isn't one. 
All I know is that Palpatine had to become Supreme Chancellor and by the end of TPM he had achieved it.
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Aug 25th, 2001 05:33 PM |
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Ushgarak
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However, I still think his plan was to use Maul to kill the Jedi, and Maul's loss caused a severe dealy and change to his plans.
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Aug 25th, 2001 11:34 PM |
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yerssot
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How could he use Maul for fighting the Jedis? If you look at the opening lines (the yellow ones) there is stated that the Supreme chancellor secretly dispatched 2 jedis.
That leeds to the conclusion that everybody else wouldn't know about it. So after the battle at Tatooine, he (sidi) saw for himself and he had the Maul report.
So AFTER that he decided to sent Maul, without the scirmish at Tatooine Maul wouldn't have been sented so he would live until EpII and maybe beyond
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Aug 26th, 2001 08:14 AM |
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LanceWindu
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I wished Maul survived so he could be in AOTC, I mean he was killed off too early. In the OT Vader lived up until the very end. But in TPM Maul was barely seen fighting or even seen at all. Yet his face is the main thing on the video cover.
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Aug 26th, 2001 09:29 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Yerssot, I meant that Maul's job was to kill ALL the Jedi. Maul was going to do the job that Vader is going to dol; that is why Maul had been trained to be such a combat machine.
But the unexpected arrivial of the Jedi and the Queen's escape forced him to use Maul early, and then he lost him, and now his tool for destroying the Jedi is gone. Hence, he needs a new plan.
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Aug 26th, 2001 10:54 AM |
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yerssot
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It is impossible for a single guy to kill all the Jedis.
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Aug 26th, 2001 02:08 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Look, Maul was meant to do whatever Vader ended up doing, ok? Vader was directly responsible for destroying the Jedi.
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Aug 26th, 2001 02:14 PM |
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yerssot
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That is what they told; what I now know is that the Clone Wars did the large part of it
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Aug 26th, 2001 02:22 PM |
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Ushgarak
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BOTH things are (probably) true.
Vader was in charge of hunting down and destroying the remnants of the Jedi, who would still have been a major threat to Palpatine. Maul, I would imagine, was almost certainly the agent he originally had in mind for this.
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Aug 26th, 2001 02:25 PM |
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yerssot
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But he knew that there was a Chosen One, so Maul was the back-up, because maybe the CO would turn dark.
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Aug 26th, 2001 05:53 PM |
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LanceWindu
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But the Palpy didn't know exactly when the CO would appear. Neither did the Jedi. The JC and Qui-Gon seemed somewhat surprised that the CO had probably appeared.
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Aug 26th, 2001 09:36 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, the Chosen One would appear to be a complete surprise factor in everyone's plans. It seems that Palpatine ended up making better use of this unexpected turn of events.
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Aug 26th, 2001 10:29 PM |
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jedi212guy
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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This just shows us that Palpatine is a master of manipulation. No matter what happens, all will go according to his will, except the end of ROTJ. 
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Aug 27th, 2001 02:52 AM |
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yerssot
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I don't think the destrtuction of the DS was according to his plans
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Aug 27th, 2001 07:17 AM |
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LanceWindu
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He was probably really mad about that one. You know that the Empire penny pinches.
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Aug 27th, 2001 07:26 AM |
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Ushgarak
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It's amazing, isn't it? The cleverer Palpatine looks in the PT the stupider he looks in ROTJ.
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