Well no, that's like calling a band with a vocalist rock-sing. Rap is the act of rapping, not a genre.
They're somewhere between funk rock, hip-hop and metal. I would say rapcore, but they have solos and complex songs & lyrics which immediately puts them above that little sub-category.
"Rage I suppose could fit into hard rock, but then again I've heard many many different classifications of them. It's best to stick with what they're closest to; metal."
That's no better than saying Deftones are nu-metal.
As for Tool having anything to do with Grunge, I can't see that at all. "Undertow" and "Opiate" have very seminal, grimey sounds but they sound nothing like their contemporaries at the time. I don't think they are closest to anything. Pantera to me are one of the bands that epitomise Metal, along with Metallica. Who I think Tool sound nothing like. Tool describe themselves as Hard Rock which is what I described them as before hand, so that's how I view them.
Meh, I really don't know what RATM and Tool really are, as they can be classified as several different things (RATM especially). I usually, for the sake of simplicity, just call them hard rock.
Good god, Sam, looking over your original lists...
My favorites:
RATM
Tool
APC
NIN
Nirvana
Incubus
Deftones
Lacuna Coil
Head Automatica (wtf would they be classified as anyway?)
Trapt
Crossfade
Alice in Chains
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
Green Day (older stuff, though, think "Dookie" era)
Sublime
Ramones
The Clash
The Misfits
There's a sampling of what I listen to...
And I noticed a lot of stuff about Nirvana fans...well, I'm nearly 19 and I grew up listening to Nirvana. So there
On previous pages in this thread there was a lot of stuff about how there's a lot of teenagers who're fans of Nirvana but didn't listen to them until after Kurt died...so I'm pointing out that there are teenage fans of Nirvana that HAVE listened to them since before then.
"Head Automatica (wtf would they be classified as anyway?)"
Disco/Party Rock.
Everyone that I've read has at least one dreadful band. Trapt, they had the one song that was made famous by being on a commercial for a wrestling PPV. Then faded away.
AC - 'grungy' not grunge, I meant grungy as in low-tech and raw, not the genre.
Well, I can honestly say that I have never really encountered much objection to calling Tool metal. I really don't think they can be put into one particular category, but all the same, if they could, I would say metal everytime. Metal isn't all short sharp bursts of noisey yells and big power chords, just because Tool are far more artistic and complex than Pantera, Sepultura, Slayer etc doesn't mean they aren't metal. Opeth are one of the most musically complex bands I've ever heard (their best song is around 20 minutes long), and they are pure metal. Whats so absurd about Rage being metal?
Can i just take this moment to say it's good to have you back man, haven't had a decent debate in this forum for ages.
Totally
I'll admit to liking all those bands at one point, but I never recall liking GC. I've never even owned one of their CD's
I didn't hear of Nirvana until I was 13, I didn't really like rock or metal till then. However, now that Dimebag Darrell died, unfortuanetly more people will be listening to them, like with Kurt's death. I actually started listening to Pantera and Damageplan 4 days before Dimebags death, and I was planning to go see them on tour.
"Well, I can honestly say that I have never really encountered much objection to calling Tool metal. "
I don't object to it. You and anyone can call them whatever, I just don't see how if they could be put into a catagory, it would be Metal.
"Whats so absurd about Rage being metal?"
Because they absolutely sound nothing like metal to me. Even the most non-metal sounding metal bands sound nothing like Rage. Rage to me are Rock. Pure Rock. Their music is more Hiphop than most Hiphop in many cases also.
Fair enough. Out of interest then, how would you categorise them?
Their songs are certainly consistently heavier than most alternative rock bands, and they have a number of songs which have no rapping. I wouldn't hesistate to call songs like Killing In The Name, Settle For Nothing, Wake Up, Revolver & Tire Me metal.
"I wouldn't hesistate to call songs like Killing In The Name, Settle For Nothing, Wake Up, Revolver & Tire Me metal."
"Settle For Nothing" and "Killing in the Name" are what I would class as Heavy Funk Rock maybe. Except the former has more of a Classic Rock feel due to the nature of the solo. "Revolver" has one of the best Rock riffs I've ever heard. "Tire Me" is very fast, that's the only Metal element I can see in it. If I could classify Rage it would be Rock/Hip-Hop hybrid.
Not one of those bands like Limp Bizkit who have lame Rock with a man rapping on it. Rage were always Rock and Hiphop at their somewhat purest, blended together seamlessly. With obvious funk influences.
One of Morello's best solos, too. Well there you go, Rage often have harder, chunkier riffs, abrasive vocals/screams and thats enough to push them beyond just rock to me. But not to you.
Thats exactly what I said at the top of this page. Well in any case, if we want to get really official, I believe Rage have recieved numerous nominations under the metal category. Their style really does have the metal edge, when I hear Rage, I think of mosh pits and stage-dives, and i judge by my insticts.
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