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Gandalf the White is very perceptive. Even as Gandalf the Grey he could see the spirit world as he is a Maiar. Voldemort is a mortal. Gandalf would be able to see the dimension through which Voldemort travels.
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right, voldemort lieks to show off, we all know that, he always has his death eaters about him when doing some important evil thing
but gandalf, he has on his side the valar, and illuvatar (god)
now who would win that, plus gandalf would never die by one of voldemorts death spells, think back harry potter book five, mad eye moody says, the aveda kedaveda curse needs some real power behind it, all you could point your wands at me and yell the words and youd be lucky if i got a nosebleed, now, gandalfs power FFFFAAAARRRRR outreaches voldemorts, the spell would not effect him much, if at all
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book four i mean
not five FOUR
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Yes, power behind it. Harry and the others were weak wizards and weren't used to using the spell. Voldemort, however, is used to using the spell and is very powerful. Gandalf being powerful has nothing to do with it. And even if it doesn't kill Gandalf, Voldemort could just turn him into a rock or insect and crush him.
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Nov 29th, 2003 08:21 PM |
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shaber
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 Gandalf the White is as strong as an istari can be.
I imagine Maiar aren't so easy to manipulate that way. Even Gandalf would not be so dependant on his flesh as a Harry Potter world wizard. Normally Maiar wear their flesh as a mere garment, but the wizards are more hampered by it than usual; this handicap was implemented deliberately by the Valar in council with Eru.
To be skilled with an Unforgiveable Curse, a wizard has "to MEAN them, to want to cause pain (or control, or death) to ENJOY it."
Harry could not use the Cruciatus Curse because he is not perverted like Umbridge is.
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While on Middle Earth, Gandalf and Saruman are mortal, which is why Saruman is easily killed by Grima. If Gandalf's body dies, he dies. Voldemort enjoys killing people. So he could easily kill Gandalf. He could use a blinding spell, or something to distract him, apparate behind him, then kill him.
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yes, but gandaf i dont think would be too easy to turn into a rock or insect, and gandalf could do the same to voldemort,
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Nov 29th, 2003 08:40 PM |
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I doubt that Gandalf's powers work that way. He's never shown doing anything like that. He's only used his powers to attack, such as against the orcs and Balrog. I don't think he can transform or manifest things.
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yeah i think volemort would win
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Nov 29th, 2003 09:47 PM |
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The Inkeeper
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he never uses his full power in the books, also if harry was a weak wizard and he has thwarted volde about 3 times then volde cant be too good a wizard can he, sure hes powerful, but as far as wits intelligence and cunning go hes at the shallow end
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Nov 29th, 2003 10:24 PM |
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shaber
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Voldemort always overlooks small, but crucial details.
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Gandalf would kick Voldermorts rear end, i mean he would kill him so quick that your head would spin!!! there is no question to who would win, gosh, that would be very entertaining to see, Gandalf kicking Voldermorts butt!!!!!!!!!!
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i know, but some people cannot accept that, i mean ive been trying to get it across to SOME of them that gany would win but they will not hear any of it
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Nov 30th, 2003 01:11 PM |
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The reason that Voldemort was defeated by Harry the first time was because of love. The second time, the spell of love was still active. The third time, it was because their wands were brothers. Harry is still a weak wizard. Voldemort would win. Gandalf is in a mortal body, Voldemort is not. He's gone through many transformations and could possibly be immune to some magicks.
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Nov 30th, 2003 11:55 PM |
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And how do you know that we haven't seen all of Gandalf's power? I agree that in Gandalf's true form, Voldemort wouldn't stand a chance, but since Gandalf is mortal, his powers are limited. Voldemort would kill him.
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You think Voldemort could have beat a Balrog? HA! And Gandalf the Grey managed to do it. It's no contest.
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Dec 1st, 2003 07:38 PM |
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The Inkeeper
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and also read the silmarillion it tells how he doesnt use his full powers, he is not allowed too
he could basically destrot middle earth or at least most of it if he wanted, but was forbidden to use his full powere incase of this, plus some of the spells gandalf does cannot be done by voldemort, and p.s voldemort is human, harrys human blood, see
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nephalim27, did you also notice that he died against the Balrog?
If he's forbidden to use his powers, then Voldemort would win...
And Voldemort has magic that Gandalf doesn't have.
Voldemort is only part human. Gandalf has a full human body.
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he came back after the whole balrog thing. and besides, gandalf and voldemort are both powerful, but in differant ways. they are from differant worlds, so it's kinda hatd to tell what effect they would have on each other. Voldemort likes using his powers to hurt people, but gandalf doesn't, so what would happen in a duel between the two? voldemort could try to zap him with a hex or something, but gandalf is beyond little death hexes. he'd blow voldemort into the next year.
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no he isnt forbidden to use his powers, just not his FULL power, and he can in only extreme circumstances as if his life is in danger
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