well anyway im not sure if he could, to take gandalfs saruman just holds out his hand, but he is head of the order so i think he has power over their staffs, i think voldy and gandy both excell each other in different areas
Yeah, they outmatch each other in different areas, like even though Voldy can apparate, Gandalf may sense where is, and Voldy can use spells in an instant, but Gandalf can't, so let's just leave it at that.
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Gandalf and Dumbledore are very similar. Both of them are very calm and careful with how they use their magic, and they don't take it for granted. This is why Gandalf would beat Voldemort. Voldemort's weakness is he abuses his talents. This is why he was conquered by baby Harry in the first place. Voldemort can apparate all he wants, Gandalf would win easy. But forget this matchup. The one I'd like to see is Gandalf vs. Dumbledore...now that one I'd have to think about.
He was defeated when Harry was a baby because of the magic of Lily's love, not because he abused his power. And exactly how could Gandalf win if he can't catch Voldy? But anyways, I don't want to start this back up again, and Gandalf vs. Dumbledore would be the same as G vs. V.
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Ok so lets say voldemort apparates, which lets say gandalf doesn't or can't for some ungodly reason, and lets say he does hit gandalf with a "death spell", lets say in this instance gandalf doesn't or can't do the same for some ungodly reason... lets just say he did, did all those things at the same time and Gandalf was standing there completely oblivious to these actions, you know what would happen... gandalf comes back and is all like suck my testicles I'm back because god is down with me, oh what didn't you know I could come back to life you ****ing ****.
Then lets say voldemort casted another spell afterwards, you know what would happen then... Tom Bombadil would roll up beside him and be like fool, check yourself before you wreck yourself cause magic it don't exist ****... and voldemort would become so pissed and emotional that he would dive off a cliff and kill himself because his life long dream of becomming an oppresed and beaten familiar of a 13 year old boy would no longer be a viable life choice. Then Tom and Gandalf would drive to Wendy's for a burger and hang out... Sam, Treebeard, and a few others can come too.
Last edited by tombombadil155 on Dec 24th, 2003 at 10:29 AM
hey, thats difficult because that are different stories. Lord Voldermort is powerful, of corze. but i think the bright magic of gandalf the white is more powerful, becorze in TLotR there more powerful and anything. i dont know how to say... gandalf fights against more, and darker people... voldermort wants only to kill the mudbloods, sauron wants to kill the whole earth...
What I meant when I said "abusing his powers" was that he does not think about every consequence before he uses his magic. This is the way Gandalf and Dumbledore behave. Voldemort didn't even consider the consequences of trying to kill Harry. He mentioned in the 4th book that he knew about the sacrifice magic, but he didn't consider it before killing Harry. This is how he abuses his magic.
Patronus, that's not abusing magic. He was merely being stupid.
tombombadil155, if Gandalf dies and is sent back to life, then Voldy wins, cause Gandalf was defeated. And besides, no other person is allowed to interfere in something like this, so Gandalf can't be sent back.
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no not really because he merely died, he was not defeated, to be defeated is to have no chance of return, plus illuvatar created the earth, he created voldy and everyone in hps world aswell, so he can do whatever he likes
because jk rowling states that wizards live today, we just dont know, well hidden you see, and jrr tolkien says that lotr actually happened on this earth and currently we are in the 6-7 age, sooooo they are both from the same world
Sauron, as you said, things like that don't apply in something like this.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
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Okay although Voldemort may have this magical appearing disappearing thing and his instant death whatever spell, Gandalf in his White form would win. He has many allies that give him strength and many powers beyond Voldemort's. And although he hasn't revealed his potential true power, he definately posesses it. Wielding both Glamdring and his staff and Narya he would turn Voldemort to dust.
Stuff like allies and Narya don't affect outcomes like this. This is only Voldy against Gandalf.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
-The Architect AKA Larry
What I'm saying is Gandalf armed with Narya, Glamdring, and his white wizard powers will be more than enough to defeat Voldemort armed with his magic spells.
Besides if this is only Voldy against Gandalf without using any of their powers (like Gandalf's Narya) then it would rule out Vold's spells anyway. dont get me wrong it would be a close fight all right
haha the MTV matrix thing is hilarious (highway crossing frog)
No, I meant other things, like the ring and resurrection for Gandalf and the prophecy about Voldy. Those things don't count. Their magic counts.
__________________ "The MTV Movie Awards are a systemic anomaly inherent to the programming of the Matrix. Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human. Ergo, concordantly, vis-a-vis... You know what? I have no idea what the hell I'm saying. I just thought it would make me sound cool."
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Dec 22nd, 2003 07:57 PM
5 pages of arguing we have finally agreed
