Yes, I firmly beleive government is in the interests in the people. I believe the people make it that way through systems of accoutability, and I find your comparison with corporations facile.
NO-ONE has to right to assume power without a mnandate from the people.
The abolition of scoeity would be a complete diasaster, The attribution of a love of styler anmd the expression of indiviudality to some form of societal breakdown is simply blindness.
The vote is a powerful, POWERFUL tool. Do not dismiss it so easily. The power to chose who rules as is enormous power indeed. And you will find no better system. People CANNOT be trusted to rule themselves; it has been shown time and time again. They do not have the time, inclination or aptitude to go through the incredibly complex business of running a coutnry, You would not ask a farmer to run a nuclear power station or a nuclear physicist to run a farm; likewiseI only expect a politician to make political decisoins, but we as the people, by exercising our vote, have CONTROL over the polticians; it is the slant of our entire society.
Let me tell you something, HH. I CANNOT support myself. I am dependant on the state to support me.
You would see this done away wioth. Who would look after me then? You, and people like you? Who are you accountable to? Who ensures you stay on the straight and narrow? What happens if you decide to take liberties? Who will protect me if I cannot protect myself and there is no system that requires anyone else to do it on my behalf?
Or perhaps the more laudable parts of civilisation do not fit into your great plan? Perhaps those who cannot look after themselves should be left aside?
What you describe is a nightmare. What we have right now is not perfect but at least it is workable. What you want there is dreadful indeed.
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They are so ignorant they hardly know the name of foreign countries let alone their political structure. Looking at UN as an invading force. The US militia aint paranoid, they are completely stupid.
When I moved to Arkansas in 1985 they(FBI) broke the Arkansas militia, the militia guys(around 30 or more) were arrested and also interviewed on TV. I heard what that group had to say and I promise you I was shocked about their lack of knowledge of the surrounding world.
Posted by Hacvochound.
Not all countries have a wild life or the possibility for hunting, this just show YOUR lack of knowledge of other countries. And human have a instinct to hunt from birth. So in desperate times this will come back to them.
No it doesn't..He's embraced this whole ideal of how the world should be off of this right wing dumb American attitude when there's alot more of the world out there that they're not considering nor do they really care about ...Most militia types don't know anything about the global economy or how people live in this world..they just want to fill their heads full of spy game compiracy theories.
so you are a member of the US military? and they agree with your thoughts? now that's scary with your bizarre thoughts of a 'perfect world' where everyone is his own master, all will be chaos in a couple of days.
This reminds me of the time I was picking coffee beans in Gautemala. On the plane there, this guy (who thought he was going to France) kept telling me that Goverments should be brought down and people should govern themselves. I think his name was Kobiyashi or something. Anyway I didn't pay much attention. But a few months later when I was in America I saw his name in a newspaper.
He'd been shot dead by his 7 year old neighbour who found his fathers shot-gun.
You think you have me all figured out, but you don't. I'm a nice guy. I like doing nice things for people. But just because I'm a nice guy doesn't mean I'm submissive.
For those of you who are dependent on the State, wouldn't you rather be liberated? If we were all our own master (at least politically), then the world would be chaos - true - but only if chaos is synonymous with freedom.
Order is the goal of the tyrannical. Order is oppression. The abolishion (sp?) of society and bureaucracy is the only way to find liberation. You don't have to believe me.
Keep in mind that I can only show you the door. YOU are the one who must walk through it.
__________________ I am a thought criminal, liberated from the bondage of sanity. >>HH<<
I think the only one here who's relying on the state is Ush..and that's because he's got been pretty ill the last few years. he needs financial support to get by. It's not a matter of being liberated..it's a matter of health.
As for being nice..I never doubted you were a nice guy, HH..just a little misguided. So, we're just going ot have to agree to disagree.
And living here I feel very free and very liberated. Much more so than if everyone owned guns and the world was just one big free for all where only the strong would survive. HH what you are describing is the Wild West.
Nobody said you are not a nice guy HH, here we go all defensive again
Order is not oppression, you must obtain some sort of order or else it ends in Anarchy. Laws are orders and we need laws regardless what those redneck militia guys think.
A chain of command is order and how is the chain of command among Billy Bob and his friends out in the bush. Why do they have a leader?.. It is to obtain an order so it can excist. They got rules to go by just like society, and if they say otherwise they are a lying bunch of hicks besides the fact that they then dont have a clue about what they are talking about.
So if you are against society what the hell are you doing surfing on the net?
Thanks Dim. I guess HH didn't quite understand what I meant when I said that I CANNOT support myself... I guess he thought I was just a work-shy layabout.
Ooh! Not so far off the mark after all...
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