You know what fine! We'll take away everything slightly magical from Link and Sephiroth, hell let's even take the genetic enhancments from the One Winged Angel just to make it fair. So lets review, on one hand you have Link a teenager with a broadsword and a shield. On the other hand you have Sephiroth a highly trained soldier with a Japanese masume blade.
Now Link has never had any training in any of his games, he just blunders into sword fighting and we believe it because it's a game. However in the real world this lack of knowledge would severly hinder him.
Sephiroth has trained for years in fighting with his blade he knows every way to use it so he always has the edge against his opponents. Furthermore the only reason people say that the masume is unliftible is because they take one look at the length and switch off they don't consider the design. The masume while long is also very thin and probably wouldn't weigh more than Links sword but it would be unweildly because of the length unless a person trained with it just like Sephiroth did.
Now Link's shield would admitidly hold out against Sephroth's intial attacks a shield is only as strong as the man who holds it. In other words the shield will only protect Link as long as he can weild it, because every time Link blocks an attack a sock will travel up his arm damaging it. And as long as Seph keeps attacking that arm will get weaker and weaker until finally it beacomes useless which means Link now has deadweight dragging him down forcing him to take time he doesn't have to cut the straps holding the sheild to his arm. And this would happen because Seph would of been trained to fight people with shields so he would no exactly where to strike to cause the most damage without fear of counter attack since the length of the masume (which we have now established Seph can swing at full force) would keep him out of range of Link's broadswoard
Link is also a hero, a protector therefore he would hold back at the beginning of the fight, a move that would cost him dearly. Sephiroth however is completly insane and i'm not talking loopy i'm talking cold hearted ruthless insanity, the like of which has never been seen by Link. He would not hold back he would slaughter Link just for the hell of it. So Link fans do you see now that Link can't win. I await for your next argument
Link is the first EVER swordsman character, I think all the games he's been in tell you that he's got a s h i t l o a d of training and skill, how you could say he has no training is beyond me. Seph only hides behind his magic (supernova) and if he went hand to hand against Link, he'd get his ass whooped because he wouldn't even be able to pick up his sword, the thing is HUGE in length, making the thing REAL hard to pick up, let alone swing, why do I have to keep bringing this up? I'll tell you, it's because we all know that seph wouldn't even be able to pick it up, so will you SHUT UP about it! Link has more training then seph would ever hope to be able to get, since seph was created, not born, so he inevitably has no training whatsoever compared to Link. How do you know that Link has no training? Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean that he doesn't have any. Explain this to me...
ok u r saying this is real life and you cant use magic right so it doesnt matter if seph uses magic DOES it (i dont see anny ****ing reason for u to say that he hides behind his magic because he only uses it when he is bizzaro sephiroth and he isnt bizzaro IS HE?!?!?!? ) and if u r saying that this is real life then link loses his fairy and his "specail shield" because there is no magic in real life IS THERE!!?!?!!?!?. and what the **** are you talking about "his sword is to heavy" if u r talking real life then SEPH WOULD NOT LOSE HIS STREINGHT because streingth is a ****ing REAL THING god why do we have to explain this to you over and over
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becuase nobody gets it, this is why i hate vs threads.
Sephiroth is more powerfull in every aspect thats why he is the most well know villian if you ask me
inellegence:brilliant(insane) but still brilliant
Strength:unreal,unimagineable strength and endurance
Skill: pfffffft c'mon check out advent children trailer!
not to mention DEATH cant stop him!
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Ok, did they make like a FFVII: Seph's story or something? I played FF7 and yeah it gave a little insight as to who Sephiroth is...but every Seph fan here talks about his fabulous trainging in Japanese swordsmans ship...but where in the hell does it say that in the FMVz? And that Flash from Barto was really cool, but Seph looked like a freakin chick, and Link didn't have any of the "good" equipment he picks up in the game. As far as Ryugen's reasoning about a shield being only as strong as the person using it...well i dunno what to say, the mirror shield Link carries is the size of his whole body. Link could hide under that bad boy while meteors rain from the heaven as far as i care...he's still under that bad boy, and that shield can take whatever Seph has to offer.
(god i love being so narrow minded!)
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Yeah, but it's hard for Link fans to put up an arguement because the 2 game types are totally different. Like i've said 100 times in this thread, a turn based RPG fighter shouldn't be compared to a live action RPG fighter. In Seph's game, his job is to hit as hard as he can by leveling up strength and getting new powers, ultimates, magic abilities. But in Zelda games, Link's job is to dodge the attacks of the enemies while getting in as many hits as possible. So obviously strength is going to be misconstrued. Link isn't known for his magic using skills and he doesn't get stronger with each enemy he hits...only his swords get stronger.
IMO it would be better to have the discussion of Crono vs. Sephiroth. my reasons are such:
1. Both turn based RPG fighters
2. Both use Katana style blades
3. Neither have other types of physical attacks (bombs, arrows) only tech moves.
4. Both are strong magic users
5. Both are 1 hit wonders from 1 game (not a saga of games)
In which case i would say Sephiroth wins, but this battle would be far more entertaining that trying to compare Link vs. Seph
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Last edited by Linkalicious on Jan 26th, 2004 at 10:01 PM
Lets say that i stood under a sheild made of an indestructible material. if a rather large meteor hit it, fair enough it may not break but what would happen to me under it? the force of a meteor hitting the sheild would also create a downward force that would crush me and make a rather large crater.
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True enough Linkalicious the shield would take no damage, I won't argue with that. Link's arm however is not indestructible and after enough shots the shocks produced by the Masume hitting full force will either tear Link's muscles or just break his arm. At which point Link now has an extremly heavy shield dragging his arm downwards, slowing him down and leaving him in extreme pain. Making it rather easy for Seph to decapitate him
Oh and one more thing Linkalicious, you're right that you never see Sephiroth's training. However the game manual refers to him as the best, a lot of the early talking about him states he is the best, hell the dude was a legend when Cloud was a kid so he probably knows a little about the art of battle
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Last edited by Lord Ryugen on Jan 27th, 2004 at 10:11 AM
Fair enough Draco I'll explain. You see like the Final Fantasies the Legend of Zelda games were never sequeled. Every Link was a brand new Link therefore any training he did recive in a previous game would not be carried over. Also only the Orcinia of Time link ever aged past Ten (how much training can you have as a ten year old). And we're told Sephiroth has skill but Link just picks up a sword a starts hacking away. Well Draco hope I cleared things up a bit for you.
(Hmm three quotes in a row, I've gone quote mad)
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ok so you're not seeing my point. It's a matter of displacement. Like if I stepped on your stomach with a tennis shoe or if i step on it with a high heel on (like a cowboy boot) Both have the same weight, but there is more force per square inch when wearing the heel. That blow is being absorbed by a shield the size of a human body (not a mere arm)so all of that force is being exerted throughout the whole shield...not just the point of impact. And you talk about Link getting tired carrying a shield...but you say nothing about Seph exhausting himself with big hay maker shots to the shield (prolly 2 handed slashes). I like how fatigue can be a factor for 1 fighter, but not another...real fair arguement. As for the meteor landing on the shield....well in Ocarina of time, those flaming boulders that fall on death mountain can be blocked by lil 10 year old Link by merely ducking while the shield is on his back. No where in the video game does Link drop his shield and no where does he get hurt for blocking an attack with the shield (unless bull rushed by a huge end of level boss). If we are playing by game dynamics and you can send a huge crushing meteor down to earth...then i'll play by Link's game dynamics and just block it with the shield or who's to say that Link woulnd't just stand right next to Seph when he casts the spell? This isn't turn based RPG land...this is a fight so u don't get that 20 ft between u and your opponent...cast meteor all you want because if it hits Link, then it's hitting Seph too. Or is this some unbelievable fight where Seph just vanishes when the meteor shows up and reappears when the spell is done being cast?
Please realize that it's no flaw in your logic...because your logic (and mortis's) are very sound, more so than mine. It's just that i'm much too narrow minded to let this arguement go without a fight.
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Last edited by Linkalicious on Jan 27th, 2004 at 05:19 PM
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Fair enough. Both NES versions of the game were sequels. In Zelda 2: the adventures of Link. Link learns techniques like up thrust and down thrust...pretty nifty for 1989. But in modern Zelda games, Link has combinations, parrys, thrusts, and other kinds of attacks. Ocarina n' Majora (the sequel) are the ONLY ZELDA GAMES where Link is a very young child. The rest of the time he is 16-18 years old. I've never seen Seph do anything but a solitary swing...so the full extent of his swordsman ship has yet to be seen. All we know is that they are both the greatest swordsmen on their worlds..
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