Why shouldn't he? If he's not doing anything wrong then why the hell should he stop doing something that he, and obviously the kids, enjoy? Because of what you'll say about him? BS.
If someone accused me of being a rapist, I wouldn't stop hanging around with females. Why should he do the same?
Nothing is his own fault. He said ONE thing that people have taken to hell. It was open to interpretation and people, as they have a habit of doing, interpreted badly. It's nothing to do with any one of us. Just coz the media put it all out there, doesn't make it our business. Fact of the matter is, one of those kids has now admitted to lying under oath.
I think it's just sad that people can't let the man live his life when he isn't doing any harm. Everyone is sticking their nose into places that don't concern them. So his life is strange to you, so what? What is it to do with you? Answer: Nothing.
Again, why should he stop doing something that isn't wrong just because of what people keep trying to prove that he did? You'd think that people would be saying "I hope he didn't do it. Because child molesting is bad". They seem to have the mentality of "I hope he did so we can finally have an excuse". If he gets off, there'll be more pissed off people than relieved people. Those parents won't think "Oh good, my child didn't get molested". They'll think "Shit, can't believe he got off". They don't care about their kids, they just wanna get him sent away. They are the real scum.
I don't understand all this "I think he's guilty" talk.
Why? You're basing it on nothing. He hangs with children and at MOST, SLEEPS........SLEEPS, in the same bed. If you equate sleeping in the same bed as a child to molesting a child then quite frankly I'd hate to put you on any jury.
I haven't said anything about him, I don't think he's guilty, I don't think he's innocent. I merely pointed out the fact that it IS his own fault for all the shit that's going on. It's common sense that he should stop sleeping in the same bed as children and admitting it's okay, especially after being accused of it in the first place. He could easily avoid all this shit by simply not sleeping in the same bed as children.
Poor, sloppy analogy, hanging out with women is a natural occurance for everyone, rapist or not. Hanging around kids constantly when you're an adult, and sleeping in the same bed as them is not, especially after he's been accused of child molestation in the past. A better analogy would be "if someone accused me of rape I wouldn't stop yelling at women and treating them badly and having rough sex with them". The difference is, all of these things, while legal are all very questionable, especially after someone is accused of rape. Same goes for MJ and his continuing to sleep in the same bed as children after being accused of molestation. Thre's a blatant difference between someone accused of rape simply hanging out with women and soemone accused of child molestation SLEEPING in the same bed as children.
It's not just what he says, it's what he does as well. And how is admitting he sleeps in the same bed as children open for interpretation? I say it's his own fault because he could have easily avoided this whole mess.
Of course, the problem is he MAY be doing harm, hence the whole trial thing going on right now. Yep, people are sticking their noses into places that doesn't concern them, including you, it seems. You're obviously keeping up with the trial (much more then I am, it seems, the only time I hear about it is when they talk about it on the radio show I listen to and make fun of it) so you're doing exactly the same thing as everyone else who is "sticking their nose where it don't belong", watching the same programs as everyone else and drawing your conclusions based on the same thing as everyone else. It's interesting stuff, how can people not be intriguied by a man who has statues of children in his bedroom, a buzzer alerting him when someone is approaching his room, and someone who readily admits that it's okay for grown men to sleep in the same bed with children, even after being accused of sexual molestation.
As I've said, I'm not going to be surprised by either verdict, innocent, guilty, neither will be a shock to me. And I don't really care either way.
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I never said that it wasn't questionable. The fact of the matter is, the parents run that risk. If he isn't doing any harm, then the only issue to be raised is "Well that's a bit weird, wanting to sleep in the same bed as other children". In which case it only comes down to what you think is weird or not, not molestation. Maybe, just maybe, those previous accusations mean nothing to him because that's ALL they were. Accusations. If he did none of it then he has no reason to be worried. Besides, on that documentary he mentioned his bedroom. He never mentioned beds. Mind you I didn't watch all of it. If he said sleeping in the same bed, what I've said still stands but to my knowledge he only said bedroom.
How? Because parents sleep in the same bed as their kids sometimes. Parents are just as open to being molesters as anyone else. It's just overlooked because they are parents. How could he have avoided everyone? Everyone wants him sent away for one reason or another. Either they thought he was weird anyway and "deserves" this or they believe he's some rampant kidfid based on nothing. When you have most of the world's general populace after you, it's hard to avoid it.
Doing harm is one thing, intentional harm is another. If I wave a knife around in the kitchen and someone walks into it, then it's down to them not looking and me being wreckless. I'm being careless. I'm not trying to hurt anyone. As opposed to me walking up to some dude and stabbing him. If Michael touched the child in an inappropriate place, the chances are he did it unintentionally or with the likened mind of a child at play. I seriously doubt a young kid is gonna go home and say "Mother, that man sexually molested me and I'm traumatised". It happens when they're old enough to speak and their parents put them up to it. Years later some kid comes out, "Oh yeah and Jackson abused me when I was a kid". It's nonsense.
I'm not sticking my nose into his business, I'm debating with those who are, there's a difference. I'm debating with those who choose to get involved and I hear about it through others. The position that some people take is just ridiculous. I have no reason to believe he did do it and from what I've SEEN, his love of children is natural. Like a parent with no kids. That's why most people have kids, because they like seeing children go through what they went through as a child. That being childhood. Michael Jackson, as it's pretty well documented, never had one. So it's gonna be there more so than anyone else.
Statues don't really mean anything. I have a lock on my door to stop people coming in, doesn't mean I'm hiding anything. Supposing his room was open to all and at night a kid walked in there, not knowing any better, and climbed into his bed? What then? Do you think the public would believe that? No. I should imagine he doesn't want anyone in his room unless he condones it. If this was a grown woman, there'd be nowhere near as much problem. It's always males. Age isn't a factor, gender and status are. Namely a MAN named Michael Jackson. The crucial thing there is that you said he was "accused". Not convicted. I'll use the analogy you suggested. Some girls like rough sex, some guys like to give those girls rough sex. If one of those guys is accused of being a rapist and then another girl says "He really got rough with me", does that make him anymore a rapist? No. It means people are just assuming. Just because he likes to hang around with kids and then says, I let children sleep in my bedroom...it doesn't mean he molests them.
Michael Jackson has countlessly helped children with most charities by a pop star, 40 million dollars. no1 pays attention to that. His over-generosity with people is what he is being taken advantage of. People just try2dig out money from him, He is not a child molester, He is certainly innocent, and u just keep saying I THINK HE'S GUILTY, the only proof you have is that he says he sleeps in same room as the children, i slept in the same bed with my uncle when i was 8, Parents allow their kids to stay over at michael's place, because they trust him, they know he wont do them any harm. and since start of trial most of you are saying that he is a child molester, this case is falling apart so bad now instead of admitting that u judged him the wrong way, u say stuff like HE GOT HIMSELF INTO THIS, HE IS CRAZY. If you think some1 is guilty or CLOSE TO GUILTY because he is so loving to children and sleeps in same room with them, and helps children enormously, YOU'RE JUDGMENT IS POOR. oh ya FOR TWO DAYS IN A ROW THE ONLY WITNESS WHO SAW THE ALLEGED MOLESTATION HAS ALSO LIED. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149861,00.html
this is so pathetic the accuser is about to testify with not even 10 days of trial. i think its pathetic that this case even reached trial
There's a difference between a child sleeping in the same bed as their parents, and a child sleeping in teh same bed as someone who leads a questionable lifestyle that MAY be dangerous to children. Can't compare the two in any valid manner. Unless the parents were previously accused of molestation, in which case children shouldn't be in their beds either.
If you do kill someone with a knife like that, you could still be held responsible because you were being careless with a dangerous object.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Fact is he isn't a kid, no matter how much he wants to be, he's an adult and subject tot he same rules as all other adults. Perhaps you can explain what "did it with the likened mind of a child at play" means.
No, it doesn't mean he molested them, but it means that it's more reasonable to think he did molest them because he DOES let them sleep in his room/bed whatever then someone who doesn't think that. And it doesn't make the guy a rapist, it does make him an easy target, one that he painted for himself.
Anycase, I don't want MJ going to jail, and I'm not OUT to get him or any of that stuff. If he did molest kids, then yes, definately put him away. If he didn't, then I'll agree with you and people need to just leave him alone.
My whole point here was that this is all his fault, he could have avoided all of this had he used a bit of common sense and realism and just not allowed kids in his bedroom and all that shit.. I'm not saying that because he has statues or because he leads a questionable lifestyle that he DID molest them, just that I can see why people think that and he could have avoided it very easily.
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you cant argue it with mj fans they were all there lol
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Actually MJ used the term "share my bed with children" numerous times, he made it quite clear he was talking about sleeping in his actual bed. If you think that's ok and there's nothing wrong with it, that's fine, but that's a matter of opinion. You can't expect everyone to think there's nothing wrong with it, some people do think there's something disturbing about a grown man sharing his bed with kids. If it was some one time thing and the kid couldn't sleep or whatever that's a whole different story, the way he said it was as if it's something he does on a regular basis. With all the weird shit Michael does, he's just digging himself deeper and deeper.
Despite if he thinks there's anything wrong with it, he should have the common sense to anticipate everyone's reaction. Even if he thinks it's fine to sleep in a bed with children, he didn't have to go and announce it on tv. He was the one who went public with it, they didn't make him say shit. By doing so he screwed himself over, and lately it really appears the guy has lost it. He's making himself look crazy. If he was really smart he'd just stop sharing his bed with kids, I'm sure there's other things they could do together.
But, now that I heard on the news that the kid admitting to lying in court in a previous case I can no longer say I think he did it.. but honestly don't really think he's innocent either. I think both sides of the case are completely full of shit.
Last edited by Afro Cheese on Mar 9th, 2005 at 09:07 PM
^ agreed, that its a matter of opinion about how people look at mj's statements. but when u say.. HE IS GUILTY because of this, thats being a bit too harsh and too judgmental, wheather u like it or not, that is not enough to convict a person of child molestation, or make a person a child molester.
and mj has said he wont do anything like this again, i hope for his sake that he stays away from inviting danger. but he is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY on charges of child molestation.
Agreed, but that's still an accusation, not a conviction.
The point I was making is that it's not with intent. So I can't be called a murderer.
Similarly what I said above. State of mind comes into question when convicting. If he isn't of able adult mind, he can't be charged of it.
I don't think it's reasonable to equate sleeping in the same bed and molesting, or even connecting the two.
People need to leave him alone anyway. His questionable lifestyle is no one's business. This whole thing is mostly just the break those people needed to have a pop at him.
Might not have been the wisest choice in saying it but again, if that's all he's guilty of, he doesn't have anything to be afraid of. People were gonna be after him either way.
That's how you interpret what he says though. Secondly, what "weird" shit? Nothing besides his attitude toward children should be brought into question. His lifestyle is of no relevance, his attitude toward children is. Whether you and millions of others think he's a weirdo or not, is irrelevant.
People aren't his responsibility. Yes, might not have been wise to announce it but like I said above, if that's all it is then he has nothing to be afraid of. It was one piece of info that the media grabbed and run with. You don't think he did it but you don't think he's innocent.........and both sides are full of shit?
what afrocheese said was bogus, BOTH SIDES FULL OF SHI!, what is this a SOCCER MATCH? this is a trial, and from what i have seen only 1 SIDE IS FULL OF SHIT, and that is the prosecution. because the family is lying about statements they have made. and the defence is only trying to prove some one's innocent, how do u call that FULL OF SHIT, its a matter of a person's integrity.
"Similarly what I said above. State of mind comes into question when convicting. If he isn't of able adult mind, he can't be charged of it."
Well, do you mean like "lets play doctor" and they start taking off their clothes and fondling and all that shit? If so, then he certainly SHOULD be convicted for doing such a thing. He's not a kid, he's an adult. He's not mentally retarded or anything, he's smart enough to make millions of dollars and have children of his own. He's an adult, if he touched children in any way, he should be sentanced, period.
"I don't think it's reasonable to equate sleeping in the same bed and molesting, or even connecting the two."
It's not reasonable, but it's more reasonable to accuse someone of something when they are displaying questionable actions that could be seen as perverted by a large number of the general public.
"Might not have been the wisest choice in saying it but again, if that's all he's guilty of, he doesn't have anything to be afraid of. People were gonna be after him either way."
It woulda been a lot harder for them to go after him had he not said and done some of the things he's admitted to saying/doing. He's made things harder on himself.
^ so whole point is that he made it harder for himself. agreed he did, but like i said his actions are questionable, but no where NEAR BRINGING ACCUSATIONS OF CHILD MOLESTING.
Weird shit like hanging his kid out the balcony, making his kids wear masks, sleeping in the same bed with kids that stay at Neverland ranch.. Not saying all that has to do with the case I'm just saying he's been acting really crazy lately.
He does have something to be afraid of, if people think he did it he could get in trouble even if he is innocent.
What I mean is that both sides obviously are doing their fair share of bullshitting. He either did it or he didn't but neither side seems to have a particularly strong case. I have no clue if he did it or not, now that the kid's witness admits to lying it seems that he could very well be lying. But that doesn't mean I think Michael is innocent, it just means I have doubts as to whether he did it or not.
Last edited by Afro Cheese on Mar 9th, 2005 at 09:38 PM
it did. but its unfair when people call him a CHILD MOLESTER, AND GUILTY AS CHARGED, based on that. and they say MJ HAS SO MUCH EVIDENCE AGAINST HIM HE IS A CHILD MOLESTER, HE RAPES KIDS etc. people should know better than that. i hope after this case ends people re-think about calling him a CHILD MOLESTER
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