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Ushgarak
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I would not be amazed if it were satire. He was an odd guy though.


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the greatest book ever written, really insightful into how the world could be so f***ed up(!)

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People can overstate the similarities between 1984 and the world we live in. Saying something is very 'Big Brother' has become a dreadful cliche and used by many people with no conception of what they are talking about.

I mean, does anyone really think that 1984 was a genuine attempt to make a What If? scenario?



Yes, i believe so! It was written in 1948 because many people believed that its going to be like that in years to come...

It could happen...sure it could, anything is possible, its the probabilty that tends not to be great...


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Originally posted by Ushgarak
People can overstate the similarities between 1984 and the world we live in. Saying something is very 'Big Brother' has become a dreadful cliche and used by many people with no conception of what they are talking about.

I mean, does anyone really think that 1984 was a genuine attempt to make a What If? scenario?



Yeap. It has became a dreadful cliche, and maybe used by people with no conception of what they are talking about. But I think the dreadfull cliche is the right way to make a synopsis of the book.

1984 could be understanded in two ways. The present sociological situation in East european countries after the war and the what if scenario that people should avoid to have in their own countries.

The essence of book had is nature in the political evolution of Orwell. Since his revolutionary socialism waythat took him to fight in Spain by the Republican army against the Nationalist army - Franquist. And his after political changes to a more liberal way, with several critics to the east block after WWII.

1984 critics the present in 1948 and give us an advice to the future.

In a simple and general point of view, but correct too, the similarities between 1984 and the world he lived and the world we live in, are not overstated.

It was not an attempt to create an "What if" scenario but to show a present scenario in other countries and to avoid that scenario developemnt in his country.

Sometimes dreadful cliches are right, even if people don't know what they are talking about.

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i havnt read it but no the plot.

i think that slowly but surely it is happening.

animal farms also a great book!


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animal farm was exellent! especially after reading 1984! 1984 is more detailed and sophisticated, but animal farm is simple and more powerful


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its so bloody short aswell!


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Also, George Orwell, isn't the real name of the author. I forgot got, but he though his real name sounded too upper class (He was born in India and was British) and changed it to George Orwell.


His real name is Eric Arthur Blair (I believe). When he wanted to write "The Road To Wigan Pier" he went to Wigan and stayed at a very downscale lodging house. Fearing his name might be recognised if he called himself Orwell when he went, he used his real name there.

(Incidentally, if any of you have read Wigan Pier, I can tell you that Wigan is my home town, and it's a LOT different now to how Orwell depicts it, although there is a pier.)


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1984 was too grotesque to be a precise 'what-if' scenario, it was caricaturing other totalitarian regimes. If that can be done.


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I remember at school we had to write a summary of 1984... I did mine in Newspeak... here it is....

Smith W thoughtcrimer sexcrimer doubleplusungood. bb cure Smith W.

That was it.....


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I read 1984 a couple of months ago and i must say that its one of the greatest political novels ever written. I do agree with most of you that the novel was a warning instead of a prediction, But the book was not only meant to show what the world would become if comunism and facism were to take over. The book shows that any government can become oppresive. Especially the dangers of nationlism and patriotism aswell. I do comment that the ending was very weak and devoid of hope. Basically George Orwell is saying that there are times when the human spirit( living, feeling and dreaming) Will not defeat oppresion.

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Yeap. It has became a dreadful cliche, and maybe used by people with no conception of what they are talking about. But I think the dreadfull cliche is the right way to make a synopsis of the book.

1984 could be understanded in two ways. The present sociological situation in East european countries after the war and the what if scenario that people should avoid to have in their own countries.

The essence of book had is nature in the political evolution of Orwell. Since his revolutionary socialism waythat took him to fight in Spain by the Republican army against the Nationalist army - Franquist. And his after political changes to a more liberal way, with several critics to the east block after WWII.

1984 critics the present in 1948 and give us an advice to the future.

In a simple and general point of view, but correct too, the similarities between 1984 and the world he lived and the world we live in, are not overstated.

It was not an attempt to create an "What if" scenario but to show a present scenario in other countries and to avoid that scenario developemnt in his country.

Sometimes dreadful cliches are right, even if people don't know what they are talking about.

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Logically not possible- if a cliche is right it's not dreadful.

Sorry, but people do just use the term 'Big Brother' as a lazy criticism of any form of authority.

And I agree it was criticising his present- like I said, it was satire. I think anyone who thinks he was actually predicting the future has read it entirely wrong.

But I cannot see in any way in which people who attempt to draw such similarities are not overstating them.


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I have to read this book for High School summer reading. I'm about halfway through and I love this book so far. Any other opinions?


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I read this book many years ago, I found it to be a very good read. I must reread it again, the film 1984 is very good as well, Richard Burton puts in a great performance as O'Brien. eek! smile


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Great book. It's what got me into these futuristic "utopia" novels.

As for the movie, John Hurt is exactly how I pictured Winston. The woman who played Julia annoyed me though. erm


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I have to read this book for High School summer reading. I'm about halfway through and I love this book so far. Any other opinions?

wow! i just finished reading it...and i have mixed feelings about it...it was really really horibly boring at the beginning, but it got better...but its a little depressing no expression


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I really didnt get into it. Though I had to read it for school. Actually that is the only reason I read it

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I really didnt get into it. Though I had to read it for school. Actually that is the only reason I read it

im reading it for school too


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Pretty boring at the start, certainly at a young age, But never the less a classic, tho more because of the concept and story than the literary talent of Orwell IMO (but reading a translation generally doesn't help that)


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