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I thought the sarcasm in that one was pretty obvious. I could tell you that the point of mentioning all those names was to let all you people know how ridiculous I find this ping-pong "debate" about who's the cooler character. It has degraded into "no. orli is best". "no. nazguls are". "no, no, no. it's orli". "you're all wrong. it's the nazguls". Well actually, it didn't degrade into that. It pretty much started out that way. (Also, notice how I didn't use capitalization. It makes it seem much more authentic). But I guess you figured that out???
One. It's a forum smarty. That's what you're supposed to do. Post stuff.
Two. You seemed to care. You took your sweet time to respond.
Erm...well I don't care very much, I just though I'd cheer for the Nazguls because they're cool.
Elves pretty....
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The Second of the Nazgul (Komul, later Khâmul) ruled somewhere in Rhûn;
I dunno about the rest, couldnt find anything yet.
I'm not sure if the Witchking also ruled in Angmar before he became a Ringwraith - I think he was a Black Númenórean.
Some of the Ringwraiths came from Harad and Umbar and Khand, maybe also from Nûrn and Rhûn.
Fanfiction (and here all sources state the same, comes from some game) tells us the names and where they came from:
1. Murazor, the Witch-King
2. Khamul, the Easterling
3. Dwar, the Unforgiving
4. Ji Indur, The Outcast
5. Akhorahil, the Blind Sorcerer
6. Hoarmurath, the Ice King
7. Adunaphel, The Quiet
8. Ren, the Unclean
9. Uvatha, the Messenger
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Are we absolutely sure of this??? I mean, something keeps their capes standing, and something holds and guides their swords. The crown of the witch king surely sits on something!
I though their bodies were invisible, certainly not without 'solidness'. Much like when Gollum attacks Frodo inside Mount Doom. He sits on something, that something merely being invisible.
Thats why i hesistated with the answer
But I think what keeps their caps standing (Tolkien doesnt write anything about that, does he??) is rather some bodyless terror which is held together in some pieces of cloth, based on their former bodies but not really totally solid.
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Their bodies had to be solid at somepoint in their lives, before they were seduced by the dark powers. I think that the Rings they wear are somewhat similar to the ring of power, with it's invisibily stuff and it's life enhancing powers. And as far as I remember their bodies were never destroyed, in fact the ring (apart from life lengthening and invisibility) made them almost indestructible.
I do seem to remember something Gandalf said to Frodo in Hobbiton in FoTR that explained that their capes were given to them to give shape to their bodies in the eyes of those who cannot see their true form. It's probably around the same place he mentions that their horses are real, normal horses that have been breed in order to carry their 9 masters and that this is the reason they do not fear them, while all other animals do.
Anyway, that particular passage made me think that they do have shape, similar to that movie where some guy goes invisible and wraps his face in gaze so that other people can see him.
It seems to me that their mortal forms would have been rended apart by the evil of the rings, and then they endowed them with the power to become terror incarnate
wasn't it mentioned in the beginning of the fellowship "...and 9 rings were given to the race of men, who above all wanted power"... or some of that sort... so they did have mortal bodies... i think even after they fell under the power of sauron, they had mortal bodies... when isildur cut the ring of power from sauron's hand, they (nazgul) vanished into the shadows with him... when he reappeared after a thousand years or so, the ringwraiths appeared with him...
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