After ROTK they said they enter the 4th age of middle earth where theres peace...since the final elves have moved to the undying lands there are no more elfs in middle earth and probley no more orcs. what happens? are there any more wars..is gandalf the only wizard/most powerful..anyone have a website i can read up on this or have info
look i have read basically every tolkien book, i know he is dead i know alot of info about him, so i do not appreciate being called a dumbass by some punk rocker who can come here and think he nows everything, who also has a very bad attitude and basically is very anti social, u asked i answered how am i a dumbass
Well...After consulting the attached map, they belong to the Republic of Rhovanion.But the map is from 1999 and I believe that they got independence in 2000 from that elvish republic
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I've seen some maps that showed how Middle-earth changed and became where we are now. It was really cool. Anyone know whether what was Middle-earth would be Europe or Asia now?
(please log in to view the image) Why do you think you're all that? Guess what? You're not. If you were smart enough, you'd assume that we ALL know that Tolkien is dead. Though Tolkien wrote as though it was an alternative history to our timeline. Look at the map of Middle-Earth, does it not look like Europe?
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i feel like an ass now...sauron sorry when i read your post i thought u were being an ******* and acting sarcastic but i was wrong when i re-read your post...thats intresting how we are in the same world as they were..that would be cool if that was true lol
and again sorry sauron i read your post the wrong way and i apologize
Yeah, I thought it would definitely be Europe too, but then I saw some map that made it look like Asia and got all confused. It would have to be Europe though.
The cruel Easterlings were the ancestors of the Vietnamese people. After Aragorn died, his son took the throne and then his son and so on. Near the end of the 4th Age, which was nearly 5000 years later, Gondor fell and split into many different states. Rohan fell in the middle of the 5th Age. We are in the 7th Age right now, which started 3000 years before Jesus Christ was born. The Hobbits went underground after the fall of Gondor. The 7th Age is nearing an end.
Middle-earth IS Europe. The name simply comes from the Middle English term Middel-erthe--the name Europeans called their land many hundreds of years ago.
True, Tolkien maps and descriptions of Middle-earth don't follow all the features of modern Europe--for instance, neither the shape of Britain nor today's Atlantic coast are obvious on his maps. As he says in the prologue to LOTR, those features don't match exactly because they changed over time. Still, there's no doubt about a few points of origin. Hobbiton is located--not surprisingly--near Tolkien's home, in Oxford. Gondor is roughly where we now find Italy, though it may extend as far as Turkey.
Tolkien believed that over the course of history, different directions come to mean different things. In England, for instance, East came to be connected with enemies and danger, because of invasions by Scandinavians to the East. Tolkien matches the meaning of the directions in LOTR with the meanings from real European history and legend.
South. In the real ancient world, heading South from Britain sent you towards great empires: Greece, Rome, Byzantium. The same is true in LOTR. Gondor, where humans reign over a great kingdom, is South of Hobbiton, and quite close to those real-life places. South is the direction of civilization, of large nations and complicated politics, as the hobbits learn when they reach Gondor.
North. No surprise here: in legends of northern Europe, the icy north is associated with death. It is where one finds Niflheim, a place of everlasting cold and night, where unworthy souls go after death. As a line in an Icelandic saga goes, "Cold arose out of Niflheim, and all terrible things." This land is the source of LOTR's "Region of Everlasting Cold", in Minas Morgul, home of the leader of the Black Riders, the Witch King.
West For Europeans, west was the direction of mysterym because the vast Atlantic Ocean stood in the way of exploration. Legends grew of magical lands beyond the sea and the people who lived there. The legend of the lost island of Atlantis, an important inspiration for Tolkien, grew from this fascination. According to some stories, people from those lands had crossed the sea to settle in Europe. Tolkien used that idea to explain how certain humans came to Middle-earth and established Gondor. He also relied on these legends when writing about the Undying Lands, or Valinor, part of the home of the angelic spirits, the Valars, Maias, and Elves.
East. Early in LOTR, Gandalf tells Frodo to begin his journey by heading east, "towards danger" (The Fellowship of the Ring,p. 65). Bilbo Baggins also headed east in The Hobbit, towards Mirkwood (where the spiders dwelt) and the Misty Mountains (where the Orcs lived and Gollum hid). For the people of Middle-earth, as for Western Europeans in real life, east came to mean danger because that's where foreign enemies and armies lived. Of course, it's also where one finds Sauron's realm, Mordor.
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I have a book made by David Colbert entitled "The Magical World of The Lord of the Rings". Great book, it clarifies some stuff behind the books, Tolkien's motivations, etc. And sorry, I don't have a map. I suggest just look at a European political map then compare it to the Middle-earth map.
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