yep, its pretty good first series was shiver, now there on run and its pretty badass. its about what happend after finale, the symbiote is running to or from somthing and eddie brock is missing. wolverine gets trown into the mix too. heres the shiver series
Thanks, it looks sweet. I'm really sorry to say I haven't seen much of Venom since his Comic in which he goes on trial. After that comic I couldn't find any more so I stopped collecting comics for awhile till Ult X-men came out and Ult Spidy (since I'd figure Venom would resuface if they're doing Ult Spidy, which he did, but I'm not sure I'm really happy with that Venom).
yeah the same thing happend with me, now i have to find a new comic shop, but you can read reviews for most series at the spiderfan site.
and i was right venom s strengh has been enhanced i contact'ed the site and here is the reply
From : Henrique Ferreira <email@example.com>
Sent : Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:29 PM
To : <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject : RE: SpiderFan.Org - venom bio
You're right, Venom has been shown once to rival Iron Man in strength.
That's probably his best achievement.
An update on the strength value is now on our (very long) "To do" list.
We'll get there eventually.
If you admittedly know little to nothing about Juggernaut, why are you even commenting? His forcefield would protect him from *anything* Venom could throw at him.
Are "punches and stuff" all that Cain Marko has at his disposal? Juggernaut, "overrated?" LoL, might try finding story arcs that full explore his powers and not some garbage Venom Mini-Series
Hulk would absolutely shred Venom's symbiote. Ghostrider's "stare" traumatizes human souls. Mindless Hulk operates purely on animal instinct. Ghost Rider gets tossed into a volcano. Hulk grabs Venom, rips him limb from limb. End of story.
He cannot. "Mindless Hulk." No mind.
Release hormones to calm Hulk down? LoL, this is Venom, not Starfox. Mindless Hulk HAS no Bruce Banner to turn into. Venom gets curbstomped, and BADLY.
Again, Venom has zero zero zero place in the same sentence with Hulk and Juggernaut. Venom would get CRUSHED by Batman with prep time, same with Black Panther with prep time. Venom is NO world-class fighter.
Um, wrong. Iron Man powers up to 85-95 tons. Venom is nowhere near. He must have meant an OLD Iron Man - and I do mean OLD.
you do realize that your bassing your OPINOIN all on what you think would happen. dont you understand that everything that you say about juggernuat beating up venom is only your view. yes Iam a fan of venom. but HE beat juggy like it or not. you are not going to say that in a comic were juggernuat lose'es is a thrashy series now are you? he lose'es all the time becuase he is a idoit. im not going to reciet the whole 3 part series becuase its not worth my time. did you see the infinty war? hulk was taken by the symbiote and LIKED IT! hulk loved the extra power!
dont say profesor hulk wouldnt let this happen, becuase the carnage symbiote took silver surffer. when the symbiote cant find a way to win it takes the enemy as a host. this has happend plenty of times.
maybe this will shut you up about the great juggernuat. the first issue juggernuat kicked venoms ass. Venom only hit him three times then juggy slammed him threw the pavement, venom was about to get up but couldnt. then he bonded to the mercury element(i dont know what that did) issue two not much happend. issue three they fight again, venom hops aroun a finaly hits juggernuat with a log and pop off comes the helmet. end story like it or not he lost
Point is you are an opinionated fanboy who thinks that Venom is the greatest thing since the second chopstick. Venom sucks as a fighter and Batman/Captain America would give him FITS.
Venom uses a LOG and knocks of Juggernaut's helmet? Brilliant writing! Bravo! The helmet prevents him from being susceptible to a PSIONIC attack, the helmet is NOT his source of POWER. The GEM powers Juggernaut.
Why are you telling me he knocked his helmet off
Ask a CREDIBLE writer (Busiek, Morrison, Ennis, Ellis, J. Michael, Byrne, Claremont, Lobdell, Moore, et al) who would win between Juggernaut and Venom.
All would reply "Juggernaut." Venom is not in his league, and that is FACT, not opinion.
LMAO @ Carnage "taking over Silver Surfer." More idiotic writing akin to Wolverine slashing open Silver Surfer with his claws Because it was written, that makes it ***realistic?*** NO! Juggernaut losing to Venom is NOT realistic, dude. Juggernaut fights THOR!! Thor would DESTROY Venom!
Thor, Juggernaut, Hulk, VENOM. Which name does not belong?
wow, you got to be kidding me. so what are you gonna write comics now? its pretty lame becuase i have shown you venom beat juggernuat, and your argument is that the writers dont know what there doing. last i checked you werent in charge of marvel.
Will say it again - do you know any writers? Browse any writer messageboards? Why don't you go to your local comic shop and ask one of the OWNERS if Venom could dream of beating Juggernaut - and then when they tell you "HELL NO" (which they WILL) point out that "well dudes, Venom beat Juggernaut in his own mini-series" then come back and tell us what they tell you.
look i also said this before venom did not (beat up) Juggernuat, and instead of argueing the same thing over and over again i suggest you rethink your point. i dont think venom could beat juggernuat up in a strait fight but thats not what the series was about.
If Juggy's force sheild is so strong why could Onslaught go right through it and rip out the Gem from Juggernaught? Why has Juggy been beat up or defeated so many times if he's "invincible"? Why was his helment removed when fighting the X-man which allowed for telepathic attacks on him if his sheild is so invincible? I'll tell you, cause he's stupid and despite what he says he's not unstopable.
All of which has been pertty much clearly pointed at in most comics he's in. I don't know on what level his sheild works (how powerful it is or how it's made) but neither do you, all you say is it's unbreakable but with no real proof. As for Comic game shops and their employees, they don't have any more say as to what would happen hypothetically than any other person not in Marvel.
Both Venom and Ghost are fast enough and smart enought to stay out of Juggy's why till they can come up with a plan to defeat Juggy, which usually is all that is needed to end up defeating Juggy time to think and execute a plan.
Like I said before I don't know how Juggys sheild opperates, it's limitations ect..., but Venom can and has controlled his Symbiote on the molecualar level to travel through data streams. (he's put his computer through a computer screen, used the network connection to go to another computer screen in a different building and come out (his Symbiote not all of him)) all I'm asking is it may be possible to go through Juggy's sheild the same way, after all light can get through what else can?
As for Hulk I was thinking of the Smart Hulk as Venom and Ghost's opponent. You know the Hulk with a mind, the one who fought Onslaught. But if you want to make it Dumb hulk go right a head cause Dumb Hulk is easier to defeat by lesser strength opponets as been proven in the past. Given Venom's speed and camo abilities he and Ghost could have plenty of time to figure out how to defeat Hulk.
Just who do you think ONSLAUGHT is? The combined might of the earth's super heroes could not put a dent in Onslaught's armor. Onslaught is clearly no fluff boy.
Same reason GALACTUS has been snuffed several times when clearly he is supposed to be one of the fundamental forces of the Marvel Universe. Depends on the writer and story arc. Juggernaut has been cast as INCREDIBLY powerful, and he has also been cast as a sniveling bully. Read more.
I know that it is MORE than powerful enough to thwart anything Venom could toss at him. Duh, it depends on the writer. A writer could have Juggernaut suffer from a HEADACHE, thus breaking his concentration and his forcefield THEN Venom could get inside. Again, all things being REGULAR, Juggernaut would utterly DESTROY Venom.
I guarantee you that MOST comic shop owners know a hell of a lot more about characters than YOU do. I am willing to bet my house that I know a hell of a lot more than you do as well. Have been reading/collecting comics for some 22 years, and have thousands. And thousands. And THOUSANDS of comic books.
Venom is STUPID. Ex-felon. DUMB. He is no tactician. If this were BATMAN or BLACK Panther, then they could come up with the means to defeat Juggernaut. Venom? Not on your life. And um, what would Hulk be doing while Venom and Ghostrider sit and draw diagrams in the sand?
And light is the ONLY thing that does. Juggernaut does not need to breathe. Venom cannot penetrate it. Simple.
Again, you do not read your comic books. "Venom's speed?" LMAO, he is Barry Allen? Wally West? Pietro? Give me a break. GREY HULK could stomp a hole in Venom. "Smart Hulk?" Sir, that would be The Professor with the genius level intellect AND Class 100 strength. He'd scatter Venom AND his symbiote all over Lake Michigan with a particle cannon. Better choose the weakest - GREY Hulk, who would STILL own Venom. And EASILY.
"Dumb Hulk?" Do you read comics? Go reread Hulk #299 and Hulk #300 and show me how the entire AVENGERS could not defeat this "Dumb Hulk" and how on earth Venom would stand a chance. Do you know how they "defeated" Hulk? Dr. Strange had to teleport him to another DIMENSION because Thor, Starfox, Vision, Scarlett Witch, The Human Torch, and Captain Marvel could not do DIDDLY SQUAT with "Dumb Hulk." Hulk could literally backhand Venom AND Ghostrider into the upper atmosphere. "Dumb Hulk" lifted 150 BILLION TONS in Secret Wars #4. "Dumb Hulk" clapped his hands together and snuffed Johhny's flame, knocking him unconscious. "Dumb Hulk" knocked Vision on the top of his head (and Vision would DESTROY Venom) like a nail into wood. Get it into your head, Venom could nevereverevereverever defeat Hulk.
Why you and Fan swear that Venom is "badass" is beyond me. A whole host of characters would STOMP him. The entire Uncanny X-Men have been called upon to deal with Juggernaut - CYCLOPS, GAMBIT, BISHOP, ROGUE, COLLOSUS, and STORM could take out Venom ALONE.
Last edited by Never on Jan 20th, 2004 at 01:50 AM
dude your arguments are lame, Eidilon agrees with me becuase it happend, do i really care what a couple of comic book shop owners think? NO! i care about what MARVEL COMICS RELEASSED! you have no basis for a argument, why? becuase juggernuat never beat venom, in fact nowadays he is a friggin clown who loses all the time. and please Cyclops and bishop are goons, Storm and wolverine are the only X-men who gave venom any trouble. you even said gambit proves how little you know. VENOM BONDED TO GAMBIT LOL your are clueless