Yup, and Yoda couldn't defeat Sidious. Makes you wonder how clever these Jedi-in-their-prime really were... Another point where Lucas ruined the OT: Yoda turns out to be a loud mouth who can't make things work that he claims he can...
He did lose but he was definitely a peer to Sidious. He was unable to kill him in the limited time he had before reinforcements arrived. When Palpatine got the higher ground he essentially got the advantage he didn't relinquish.
His keys words were, "Darth Vader WILL become more powerful than either of us."
He didn't DIDN'T say HAD become because he wasn't at their level at that point nor did he ever achieve that potential due to his maiming at the hands of Obi.
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I say if the two fought on even ground I say vader because yoda is to straight forward in his style and he is older and lacks the leverage or stamina to keep up a lightsaber marathon fight. Vader can definitely match yoda in sabers as he has enough experience of dueling fast opponents, and strong opponents. Also in terms of combative use of the force I'd say vader also takes this as yoda needs time and concentration if he's going to pull off a powerful force push (MOST OF THE TIME) while vader would have little trouble being in the field 20 years straight.
I completely disagree. Yoda in the midst of battle reacts to the pods being tossed his way by Palpatine and handles it fine. He is about as quick with his force powers if not quicker than Vader. For all Vaders potential he failed to live up to it. Yoda is far more agile in combat than Vader is. Yoda wins.
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Yoda, Sidious, and Windu were the best. Obi and Anakin were in the same peer group clearly looking up to the best. Obi was familiar with Anakin but more importantly like I said in the same tier. The circumstances were also different for Windu and Yoda against Sidious. It's like any great NFL team and match ups. Just because a team is the best doesn't mean they can't lose to peers here and there. They aren't unbeatable.
None of that explains why Obi-Wan was incapable of competing with Count Dooku, yet Anakin could compete with him (even defeat him).
So what league would you place Dooku in? Anakin's or Windu's? Or somewhere in between? I personally think either Dooku or Anakin can compete against Windu. But that doesn't mean they can compete with Sidious just because Windu did.
ROTS was simply not consistent in it's power scales. Which is fine. Everyone fights differently, and Star Wars tends to leave a lot of blanks and question marks.
Matched up better? Obi-Wan was hilariously outmatched by Count Dooku.
Then clearly Kenobi isn't in Anakin's league. Because he wasn't even close to Dooku's level.
Which big boys? He did fight off Yoda, who is the top dog of the Jedi. He was also capable of matching Kenobi and Skywalker together at times. So there's really no reason to think Dooku can't be a match for Windu, who even Maul is capable of engaging in the new canon.
Now you're just being silly.
No not at all. Yoda and Sidious are the top dogs of the prequel era.
If I was to rank the rest (knowing much more about Star Wars canon than you) then I'd say Windu, Anakin and Dooku are the next level down. And then the level below them comes Kenobi and Maul.
But Star Wars generally leaves much to the imagination. Which is why we have things which don't fit my above rankings like Windu disarming Sidious, and Kenobi defeating Anakin.
Nevertheless the majority of people in the Star Wars forum, who all know SW much better than you, would pretty much agree with my rankings.
You admit above that Obi bested Anakin but couldn't compete with Dooku because he knows Anakin inside out. And yet here you use Yoda saying Kenobi can't compete with someone as some sort of proof that Anakin can't
Well not that we've ever seen a Saber match up between Dooku and Sidious, but no I don't believe Dooku would win that. Doesn't mean Dooku can't match Windu.
I've proven, and you've admitted A>B>C means A>C doesn't work that smoothly in SW.
If it did, Windu would have stomped Maul without blinking when he engaged him in the Disney Canon (based on TCW unfinished S6 episodes) Son of Dathmir comic.
Windu also would have baterred Mother Talzin when he fought her in a finished S6 episode.
No one's disputing that Windu is clearly > Kenobi. But your example of why Mace is better is a terrible one.
Not really. Yoda fought Palpatine out in the open where Palpatine could use his environment and Force Powers to their full effect. Yoda also didn't begin the fight with help from 3 other Jedi.
Context/Environments/Circumstances is everything in Jedi/Sith fights.
Yoda is simply more Powerful than Mace. Yoda can casually freeze Ventress, and matches Palpatine's force powers. Palpatine chucks Maul and Opress around with ease.
Yet Windu has to be serious effort in to defeat Maul