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That sounds like a lot money for school in the UK. Here in the States the cheapest education you can get are Community Colleges (which I go to) and then transfer to a 4 year University. I dont have the costs correct so I wont post them but I can tell you is not cheap. Even if you have a bank loan is still not enough.
Good luck Phoenix!
I had my heart and soul on going to birmingham university in 3 years but tricksters right, by time i get there the fees could leave me in debt by upto maybe £40,000. There really is no point in putting these fees so high. I wouldn't mind if it was something like £2000 for 1 entire course even though i would probably have problems in paying that, but at least the loan would be muvh easier to pay off.
B'ham uni is a really good one, apparently. I couldn't go there cus they don't run part-time courses there for undergrads.
I've done all my studying the long-winded hard way, night school and now day release Uni, whilst working full time. I did 2 years for an ONC, 2 years for a HNC, 1 year for a HND and now I'm in the final year of a 2 year accelerated BEng (Hons) degree. Its been hard work, but my company has paid for it all the way.
Working for a company with a good training scheme is an option if you don't fancy large debts. Its harder work, but you do get paid too.
Tutition fees are indeed scandelous. Not only are they too high but the loans we get to help us pay them off are not interest free, though i was told mine was. Bring back grants i say!
I left school with piss-poor GCSE's and a bad attitude, but after working on a factory floor for 3 years I realised that nothing was ever gonna just land in my lap, there were dudes there pushing retirement age and doing jobs similar to me! Scared the bejesus outta me.
I am in favour of tuition fees. The money has to come from somewhere and the way student loans work they are not any great financial burden when it is looked at in the context of a lifetime. The average degree more than pays for itself.
University education cannot be practically financed out of general taxation. One way or another, the students HAVE to pay.
I agree with Corran all the way.
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Nonsense. Rising fees have not deterred people from poorer backgrounds, statistically speaking, and such people will receive funding anyway under the proposed system.
Frankly, the system now, and that existed before, encouraged only one thing- the middle class.
There was never any golden age of lower-class students going to University- it is a myth.
University education is expensive and the populace does not owe you a degree- if you want one, be prepared to pay for it in your life.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
I never said there was a golden age of lower class students going to university. But i believe that from existing 9% that are lower class in higher education, will fall below that.
Yes, they will get funding, but not great deal more.
Higher fees WILL put off peole from going to universities...especially people from lower class They cant live off loan only.
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And if you admit that there was never such a golden age, you therefore admit that the fact that not many lower class students go, or ever went, cannot have been much to do with fees.
Fifty years down the line this will be the accepted way of things, and people will wonder what the fuss was about.
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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"
Uuum...what i said whas that there never was a golden age wof lower class, but that rise in loans will not make it any better than it was.
Besides, paying from £1,225 then jumping to £3,000 is a big differance.
Being in debt of £30, 000 is not a small amount of money...students will have to be giving that money back forever! And what about when someone 3 years down the line decides to take mortage for a house...thats a lot of money to be stuck with!
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Jan 14th, 2004 05:40 PM
Wow Mech thats awsome!!
