how can you bullshit..listen to the song, look at my critique..read it, it is accurate for a 6 minute quick critique of a "supposed" full difficult guitar solo and you say im a bullshitter? you wont find that stuff on the internet...LOOK, you knew i wrote that right here, right now, on the spot.....you're still throwing out worthless opinions...ive done everything you all asked to prove my knowledge and back my reasons, and i have, but you all havent been holding up your end, backing your guys....im not a brick wall and can be talked to intelligently, but not by people who refuse to hear opinions other than their own and are only willing to say there opinions are so by saying it's just common knowledge..as i said, common knowledge should be easy to prove. but it's not. and anyone with a knowledge of music...as ive said before...can see that what i wrote is accurate and right on track, may not be 100%, but id give it at least an 90 considering the time i had to listen and write it...but it's obvious you don't know music that well, because you can't tell if im making it up or not, because you dont know what you're listening to in terms of music, and so you say i COULD be making up stuff to justify your inequity in the music genre....why dont you critique your other song right her right now in 7 minutes and post it...see if you can prove you have any backing in the musical genre........look, ive played drums before, i know everything from rudiments: flams, rolls, swiss army triplets, inverted flams, ratamacues, etc.....to how to play malleted/piano instruments, read music, write music, critique it. true i may not be the greatest player in the world on drumset....as a matter of fact im awful...but, i can really play it up on a marching/concert snare and on quads/quints/sex's, and and on malleted instruments and piano....btw, this is me in a band, which shows i know what im talking about..however, i havent updated it in like a year.. Sean (pic below)
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i do know what im talking about when it comes to music...so please, take your non-backed opinions elsewhere since you cant seem to bury the hatchet although you're being made to look like a fool.
Why do you think that you have this magic ability? Seriously wondering. Because you said you don't play, you said you don't KNOW, you said OTHERS tell you it. So where are you getting this from? Why do you CONTINUALLY preach about how accurated and profound your descriptions are when they're coming from someone who is just GUESSING by ear? I don't care about opinions, you're entitled to think what you want. But in this case, you are wrong. You back your reasons with OPINION. NOTHING you say is factual. AT ALL. You sit there, listen to the song and with the techniques and terms you've been told, you say what you think it happening. That's like sailing blind.
Oh and, "Supposed" difficult guitar work? Do you even KNOW Steve Vai?
Let's stop this whole "You're making yourself look like a fool" thing. Because after the stuff you've said, nobody here besides Avenged fans are going to take you seriously. You've ruined anything you have to say and you've been here not even a week.
Second, YOUR opinions are not factually backed either. It doesn't matter if you back an opinion up with 5 pages of opinion, it's not PROVING anything.
You are, by your own admission, an awful player. So you're proving what I said earlier. You think Synyster is amazing because you're shit. That's not good at all.
thanks for taking everything OUT OF CONTEXT..an awful player at drumset yes, not on a single drum, quads/quintsetc., mallets, and piano....
another thing that is out of context is the whole idea of i cant play...where did you get this? oh, maybe, was it from the statement, i didnt know the specifics like, about where exactly on the strings they would be playing to make it so difficult...as you know, notes overlap on the guitar.....and i could learn to play pretty easily, not saying very well at all, but play considering i already have a solid knowledge base....just tell me what notes are what..or you wouldnt even have to tell me, i could listen by ear and tell as ive proven....and teach me the chord progressions as well as fingering and id be able to play, not that well, but playing is playing. True, i admitted to not knowing specifics WHEN i consulted my friends, but through collaboration, was able to pick up on a few ideas with them and the band im in......so, yes, i have expanded on my knowledge of guitars and some of the specific techniques used to play(ie fingerings/chord progressions commonly used on guitar/etc)through them, but i didnt learn about music in general. already had that part of it.
oh, and by the way, most weren't just guesses...i looked at it logically..god you are a serious moron arent you who has no clue about music except what you read on the net and hear on your radio/cdplayer.....
if anyone out there has a knowledge of musical terms/technicality, please feel free to back my critique of the solos in a 6-7 minute time frame, or also, feel free to point out flaws in it andlet me know...i mean, it was in a 6-7 minute time frame, not claiming it is perfect, but accurate for the most part.
LOOK AC, YOU WANT TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE AS GOOD AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, CRITIQUE...ALL YOU'VE DONE SO FAR IS RUN YOUR MOUTH, AND HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT....PROVE YOUR MUSICAL TALENT AND THEN MAYBE EVERYONE ELSE WILL SEE THE LEGITIMACY TO YOUR SIDE...THAT IS IF YOU HAVE TALENT...QUIT TALKING, START DOING.
Thanks for your backing Von Doom, it is appreciated
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of course....that's all that can be said by people who are as stiff as a brick wall when it comes to people destroying their opinions......just blow it off and say its absurd and ridiculous...shoulda seen that one coming...
You KEEP saying "Which I've proved". YOU haven't proved anything, at all. Do you realise this? You've listened to a song and using the jargon you know, slapped some labels on the techniques involved. You've not proven anything. Anybody can do that. I can sit here and listen to a lot of pianists by ear then carelessly label loads of piano techniques. It's not gonna prove anything is it?
Again, proving what I say. You learned everything you know about guitar jargon from your friends. You didn't develop the knowledge. You just sucked it up from them. Your idea of analysing and describing involves sitting there, listening to a song and according to what you know and how much you like it, labelling it by EAR. That's not good, you don't even know it, so why are you assuming that you're correct?
I know nothing about music.........besides what I listen to and buy and support, is what you're saying? Well, what do you expect? You want me to appreciate the cd by biting it or something?
Sure, I know nothing Mr Synyster is better than Hendrix and Vai. Sure . (Yes, that will always be there any time you try to call out anyone's intelligence).
ACCURATE says who? Your ears? With which you use to listen to people telling you what to think? I see what's happened. You have been told what to think by people you respect, so now you believe that when listening to any guitar you can tell anyone how good it is and what's involved.....stupid isn't it?
You are the one who kicked this off and we're all still waiting for proof. You've proven less than I have. You have the burden of proof, because you made the claims.
Infact I want you to PROVE to me (just to watch you squirm) how Synyster Gates is better than Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, John Petrucci and Adam Jones respectively. You made the claim, do it (you can't). With fact, not opinion (you can't, because fact is against you).
Hahahaha ^^^. No clue.
The saddest part, that I keep reminding you of, is that this is all from you not liking the fact that I don't like Synyster. If anything you said was provable, this would be over now. It's not because you're wrong.
It was the bit about AC knowing nothing of music besides what's on the radio. I can guarantee you that that is the STUPIDEST statement I've ever heard.
And would you use the goddamn edit function instead of posting repeatedly?!
look....there is no bias in either critique..von doom can see that, cause von doom knows something of music. nowhere in either critique did i indicate who was better at certain things, just exactly what was being played in the music. look..here's what has been proven, looking at both critiques...given the speed, it is obvious that synyster played much faster rhythms given the same kind of notes(16th, 8th, sextuplets, tripletts). He obviously played the sextuplet arpeggios faster and just as accurately while playing them faster than steve vaio...even zacky was harmonizing with him on the sextuplets at the same speed, making zackyv's arpeggios much faster than steve vaio's. the range of their arpeggios were the same about 3 octave range both at quick pace, but synyster faster...the blending in of sextuplets and triplets into each other is the same in both steve vaio and synyster, as apparent in his 1ST cd, song To The End of Rapture starting 33 seconds and lasting till 42 seconds and in eternal rest, the beginning in which he shows, in essence, the same note range of steve vai and in i wont see you tonight part 2, the solo, in which synyster shows his technical range of musical melodies extending into all kinds of minor and major keys, similar to steve vai.... in strength of the world, from 6:40 to about 7:10, he shows the ability to play similar 4 note progressions as well as progressing back down and leaps from low notes to higher notes as steve vai does throughout his solo...this is also present in The Wicked End from 3:00 to 3:28. in the whole end of And All Things Will End, Synyster shows his expertise in speeding up and slowing down the tempo as well as progression from 16notes to sextuplets and back and from triplets to 16notes and back, the same as steve vai....and there you have it, practically everything in vai's solo, synyster can do.....but, may i add that synyster can do it just as well faster as well as just as good slower, as evident in some of the solos i just named. not to mention, although i havent heard steve vai's harmonic leads, i think that it's almost safe to say that synysters and zacky's lead harmonics are better. not to mention, synyster's classical guitar solo on sidewinder. playing a classical guitar is alot different technique-wise than electric and it is almost like beginning all over again when playing the guitar, and being that he has a certain mastery at both, this lead me to believe that he can surpass some of the greats. you dont hear classical guitar solos very often in today's music, especially in these great's solos.
there we go, there is my unbias description.....could i make it any clearer where to look for synyster being able to play what steve vai plays? the exact track, the exact time. and i even pointed out where i thought synyster surpassed him playing wise. If you can't hear that synyster has the playing ability through the featured parts i told you to listen, then you obviously dont know what you're listening for. Their solos do differ in alot of ways, but you can tell where it has Steve's influence, but it is so much more than that.
Hahaha, we know each other. He takes every opportunity to try and ridicule me. Don't think for one second that he was doing it to actually support you. Shame, though. Look, stop trying to deny bias, it's apparant and everyone can see you clearly favour Avenged. Why even bother denying this? There's pages of proof.
Exactly? No, not exactly. How do I know? Because you have admitted that you knew nothing of guitar until some of your guitarist buddies (the talent of which we know nothing of, presumably quite dull if they think of Synyster as a god) told you about it. So with that knowledge, you're listening to a song and deciding what you THINK it all is. Don't trick yourself into thinking it's exactly.
Nothing has been proven. You can show what you THINK all day long, it doesn't prove, it's just your opinion of what's going on. Let's also recognise that.
His name's Steve Vai, not Steve Vaio. I thought you grew up with Vai's music? I don't believe that for a second.
Moreover, why are you now felching both Avenged Sevenfold guitarists by claiming they're better than Steve Vai, faster than Steve Vai (they're just not, at all) and more technical than Steve Vai? This is what DOES get frustrating. The fact that ALL you are basing this on, is what you are DECIDING. You listen to a song and based on what your friends tell you, you make a decision as to what you BELIEVE is being played. That's the frustrating thing. You think it's all supremely accurate when it's not.
Oh, who saw that coming? "But Synyster faster..." Oh of course he is. He's Synyster Gates, right? Pathetic.
Do you even know what you said? "the solo, in which Synyster shows his technical range of musical melodies (bit of a contradiction) extending into all kinds of (aka I don't know) minor and major keys." then capping off with "similar to Steve Vai..." Of course. Regardless of what you say or hear, wrong or right, you HAVE to clarify that your boy is as good as Vai. This is so ridiculous. Let's put this in perspective. The world's most gifted guitarists don't rate Synyster that high, at all. Most probably wouldn't even know him. If you seriously went to a G3 show (Satriani, Vai and a third guest in which they tour) and said "Guess what? Synyster Gates is better than Vai, Satch, Hendrix etc" You would probably get laughed at so loud that the guys on stage would need bigger amps to drown out the decibels of it. I'm not disrespecting your right to LIKE Synyster more, but I am beginning to get less harsh purely because I genuinely do not believe you realise the claims you make.
So because two guitarists just so happen to use the odd same technique, they are automatically equal and or better? Where are you getting this? All guitarists have to know certain things, so OBVIOUSLY there are going to be techniques that ALL guitarists have in common. If that was the way to judge then NO guitarists would be better. The fact that Vai does things more precise, more clean and more technically innovative and efficient than most other guitarists is what makes him who he is. Synyster is nowhere close.
I could sit here all day rambling off about the keyboard player from a shit band like The Kaiser Chiefs, he probably does some VERY basic things that Rick Wakeman can do. He's not a better or equal keyboardist is he? No. Because Rick Wakeman has mastered his art. Synyster Gates, at 25 plus, has not. Jimi Hendrix had Eric Clapton (one of the world's best guitarists at the time) in AWE of him, and he was Synyster's age. How many guitar gods of today, and of the past, are in awe of Synyster? Answer is none.
You've also pointed out where you think Synyster surpasses Hendrix. I've told you, your opinion isn't valid on this anymore.
I know exactly what to listen for, I just don't felch the guy. You're hearing the same song as me. Except you, for some reason, think that everything you hear and decide, is fact according to some guys you know.
You still haven't provided any proof either. Just a page of "This is what I think happens by listening." That's not proof.
Either way, it's apparant you're not understanding me and it's apparant that my common sense is wasted on you. As multiple people throughout this thread have seen. People with actual knowledge, unbiased. All you have is Avenged fans backing you up. So take it how you want it, I'm done with you.
Correction, Synyster is 21-22 years of age. Look, give anyone who has a clue about music what i wrote about the critiques exactly, and then maybe they can clarify for you it is unbiased and accurate of what is being played....then maybe you'll shut up about it, but until you do, you can't say that what i wrote was wrong, get an opinion....another thing, you came into an avenged sevenfold sprouting "it sounds like shit" i think you have the obligation to prove your point.
Look, another pointless time, i say i was in band for 11 years, majored in music, im in a band, and i drum instruct. Majors in music focus in their area, mine was percussion...THIS DOES NOT MEAN BY ANY MEANS THAT WHAT IS BEING PLAYED MUSICALLY IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN MUSICALLY WHATS BEING PLAYED ON PIANO OR MALLETS! That is where i get my knowledge...and for the hundredth time, i only get the fingering technique from my friends, ive already seen it, from my band mates, from bands i perform with, from bands ive seen live. It is learnt...i admitted to not knowing everything technical (for me it was fingerings) in the BEGINNING, and ONLY FINGERING, but, now, 6 YEARS LATER, i think i may have clue, so quit resorting to this petty argument. and i hope you give the critiques to someone that is not as biased as you are......
EVERYTHING, and i do mean EVERYTHING, you've said has been JUST BECAUSE....ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO GET PAST JUST BECAUSE???? AS I SAID, BE A REAL MAN AND PROVE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.....QUIT BEING A WUSSY LITTLE BRAT WHO LIKES TO SNEER AT OTHERS COMMENTS, MANIPULATING WHAT THEY SAY INTO THEIR OWN INTERPRETATION COMPLETELY INVALID OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENT.......NOW, COME ON, GET SOME BALLS, LETS HEAR YOUR CRITIQUE, ALL KNOWING GUITAR GOD....
I MEAN, YOU ARE IN AN AVENGED SEVENFOLD FORUM CORRECT, PROVE YOUR ALLEGATIONS THAT HE'S NOT BETTER....I HAVE NO MORE OBLIGATION UNTIL YOU TAKE THE CRITIQUE TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT........BUT, COME, BALLS, TALK, ENLIGHTEN US TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE.....
It's not unbiased is it? You are clearly favouring Synyster Gates because...and this is the important part...YOU ARE PUTTING HIM ABOVE STEVE VAI. If you need me to run that by you again, I'll paste it. If someone says to you: "The Backstreet Boys are shit", you're not going to say "Prove why?" are you? Because they are. Just like Vai is better than Gates. It's just...it's not realistic to claim anything else.
Hahahaha "you came into an Avenged Sevenfold thread spouting 'it sounds like shit' i think you have the obligation to prove a point". Hahahaha, that's so ironic, but thanks. I came in here and said something along those lines, I was speaking for me alone. It sounds like that TO ME. Because I don't like them, if you do? Fine. I was then asked "Ok so why do you believe that?" I showed why. I was asked again, I showed why. You don't like the fact that I don't like them, I can't do anything about that, champ.
Until I have factual proof of this, I'll consider you a liar.
Despite them being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT instruments....there's no difference? Astounding, truly.
Yes, it's learnt. From friends and others. As I have continually said.
I'm not biased, I've got NOTHING against Avenged Sevenfold. I personally think they're a bit childish in attitude but I've got nothing against the guys in the band. It's nothing personal. I don't like their music, that's all.
As for you thinking you have a clue, well...I think we have different opinions there.
Turn the caps lock off John Boy. Good. It's always the ones who end up snapping that are always revealing themselves as the ones with no security in what they say. Did I really upset you enough to say those mean, mean words to me? That's sad you had to resort to the very technique you're having a go at me for using (although I haven't).
No, I'm not in an Avenged Sevenfold forum, I'm in a music forum. Avenged Sevenfold THREAD. When someone says "Jimi Hendrix is better than..." you don't need proof. You just don't, call it what you want. You just don't. When you say "Eddie Van Halen is more innovative than..." you don't NEED proof. Just like you don't NEED proof to claim Britney is shit. If I was comparing Synyster to another metalcore guitarist more at his level, then yeah. We'd get into it, because it would be fairer debate.
Synyster Vs Hendrix hahahaha. Yes. Just read that back a few times.
Lastly, why do you keep saying "prove he's not better"? Why don't you prove he is? You haven't done that yet. You have proven why YOU think he is, but not that he is. You were the one who kicked this off, YOU have the burden of proof.
This has been reduced to you saying I know nothing, while proving you know less. Anyone can see that, not that it matters.
No, the sad thing is ive proven everything playable by these guys is playable by avenged....but that isnt proof at all, i gaveyou exactly where they play, but no, that isnt proof. if i know less, why dont you elaborate for me what all my musical terms mean in the place of the music...please, elaborate it for me considering i know less. notes are notes, whether it's a C or D, sometimes have to deal with transposition, scales are scales, 16th notes are 16th notes, Allegro is allegro, arpeggios are arpeggios, counterpoint is counterpoint, no matter what instrument you play on (the only instruments it would be different on is the instruments that use a different scale system than commonly used in the US, which there are some out there, such as India). look, the thing is, you talk alot of shit, but by your constant avoidance of talking about it, it proves who knows less....im willing to talk about it, straight, intelligently, in musical terms to whoever wants to listen and whoever wants to talk back in the same, but if you dont, then you have no place in talkin about technicality, when you are so not willing/ready/able to talk about everything involved with technicality. and lana, i did say that i was taught the technicalities, such as fingers, etc, from musical friends which i have pointed out fervously....but, as i pointed out further up, allegro and that stuff is the same across every instrument, which i learned in school and through studies. notice in my critiques i didnt not point out anything about fingerings...because all i know is what the guitarists around me have told me about the fingerings. I only indicated the intrical patterns associated within the music compared to speed and time. But through discussions with better guitarists than myself, i have found that the fingerings of synyster seem to be as complex as those of the greats.
dont know major/minor keys.....simple terms in music, OMG.....go look them up on the net, then maybe you'll get an idea.
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Yeah, actually it is, because a guitar is VERY different than a percussion instrument.
I'm a violinist, have been most of my life. I can also play viola, cello, and string bass -- not as well as I can violin, but I still can do it. But can I play a woodwind instrument? No, not really. Eventually I'd be able to figure out how to play by ear, but I wouldn't be able to do it with any real skill because I haven't learned to actually play the instrument. They're completely different. Same with guitar and percussion. Oh, and guess what? My music major friend agrees with me.
Actually you haven't. You've said YOU think they could play it, but as you are not the band and do not know that, that does not make it fact in any way, shape, or form.
There's that word again, 'proven'. You've not proven anything at all. Not factually. You've proven why you think that, ridiculously, but proven. All you've proven is your opinion. Nothing factual. I didn't ask for proof of why you believed it, I asked for proof that makes it absolutely true. I've seen none.
You're willing to do this, that, the other. The one thing you're not ABLE to do, is factually prove it. Which is what this is all about. Let's take an example. If you got three of the world's best guitarists in this thread and played them any Avenged Sevenfold album, next to a Hendrix album. Let's see, who do we think they'd back? You and your "by ear", "exact" (because they're not) definitions? Or me saying "No, Hendrix is just better"? Genuinely, who do you think? You can't talk about avoidance, you've dodged so many points I've made that it's got hypocritical for you to even SAY that.
You have no place in talking about technicality either though, ok let me rephrase that. You have no place talking about technicality as if it's all your own when it's all just sponged off others, others OPINIONS. Seeeeeee? What you believe so RABIDLY, isn't fact? It's just opinions of other people because you can't formulate them on your own. When you do? It's complete bullshit. You're a damn liar for saying you can sit there and decipher everything by ear, you know that, I know that. You've made all these claims about guys from M.I advising you, leading a drum line, being a music major, knowing all this crap and what does it amount to? Absolutely jack all, because you are not proving anything. I'm not claiming to prove, you are, and you're not following through.
The main argument here was: "AC, why don't you like Avenged Sevenfold?" I gave my answer. You came in with lots of biased fanboying, contradicting yourself back and forth more than a grandfather clock, only to hide behind that and lash out at whoever insinuates you've got nothing. Lana knows about music, I certainly do, Victor sure as hell does (and contrary to what he might say on the forum, he does actually think Avenged are another identikit metal band). Even RedAlert agrees with me to an extent. It's just you, taking shit so so serious.
You don't like the fact that I don't suck off Avenged Sevenfold, well I'm sorry, can't do anything about that.
well, as for all this, we are obviously not going to get anywhere...i gave your argument the due time it deserved, and i analyzed it, now whether or not you believe, its your thing. and i feel, that no matter what, you're not going to give my side a fair looking at, and i know you'll say, well it's all fact, common knowledge, doesnt need to even be looked at, predictable by past posts. and honestly, i could care less about what you think i know musically, i know what ive accomplished musically so far. if you want to, feel free to get on www.just-another-band.com website, get on guestbook, and ask our guitarist, john, whether or not i drum instructed him while he was at perry central, that should solve that...ask josh if i drum instructed while his sister was, nicole, was drum major. that will give you your answer on that. but, seeing that this argument will never go anywhere, and seeing that it's gonna take one of us to be the better person and end this nonsensical argument to let the forum continue, i have decided to not respond to you anymore, so feel free to write whatever you want, my posts will continue on this forum but not directed towards people who have one-sided viewpoints. dont even say im one-sided considering i took your argument with due consideration, and even spent my time analyzing it just to prove i was looking at it from your prospective. personally, i dont care if you think it was bias, i know it wasnt, and im sure you know it to, but for the sake of argument u keep it up, so here it will end. peace, and have a good night, for i will be writing papers till the wee hours of the morning will listening to the soothing sounds of zen...avenged doesnt seem to work very well with intense thinking on homework, tends to cause headaches, unless it is the last portion of MIA..its pretty soothing...nice acoustic outro.
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. (Yes, that will always be there any time you try to call out anyone's intelligence).
That's sad you had to resort to the very technique you're having a go at me for using (although I haven't).
