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why isn´t surfer capable of draining superman solar energy? well if he can´r he would absorb the sun easy.

but i also think surfer could and would beat supes. my reasons are probably in the firsts posts of this thread, i´m tired of talking about this battle.


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Norrin - he can't absorb Supes' solar energy, because Superman doesn't HAVE any solar energy!!! eek!

Once he's absorbed solar energy, he turns it into a chemical to be stored ready for use.

It's exactly the same as we do with food.

If there was a superhero who could suck food straight out of people, he couldn't do anything to me. Because I don't have any bacon, or pancakes, or Snickers floating around inside me - it all gets turned into chemicals and stored for when I need it.


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Norrin - he can't absorb Supes' solar energy, because Superman doesn't HAVE any solar energy!!! eek!

Once he's absorbed solar energy, he turns it into a chemical to be stored ready for use.

It's exactly the same as we do with food.

If there was a superhero who could suck food straight out of people, he couldn't do anything to me. Because I don't have any bacon, or pancakes, or Snickers floating around inside me - it all gets turned into chemicals and stored for when I need it.


good point.

maybe ss couls stop him from absorbing more, of course supes would have energy to fight.


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Yeah - Surfer could stop him absorbing any more.

But the fight would still have to drag on for a while to make Supes run out of energy.

To be honest, I think the main way Surfer would win, is with a combination of his Speed and blasts from the Power Cosmic.

He's faster than Superman and even the Man of Steel cannot currently take as much punishment as Surfer can dish out.

Once upon a time, he'd laugh it off, but nowadays alas...


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The Cyborg Supes (Henshaw) has already been hit by a blast of Surfers cosmic energy and laughed it off.

It took Galactus levels to do something to him.

Surfer is nowhere near Galactus levels.

Regular supes is more invulnerable than CS. Cosmic blasts are worthless.


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Cosmic Blasts are capable of destroying stars. They are far from worthless. Surfer was obviously holding back when he fought Henshaw. Thing has taken cosmic blasts from Surfer when he's holding back. Norrin isn't a killer. If he wanted to destroy Cyborg, he was very capable. Galactus didn't just "do something to him," he turned him into a non-sentient brick.

Surfer took a blast that would destroy a planet and responded as though it were a gentle breeze. What is Superman going to do to hurt him?

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Regular supes is more invulnerable than CS. Cosmic blasts are worthless.

please, some respect. Youre talking about blasts that have destroyed planets roll eyes (sarcastic)

Superman gets a bloody nose from Doomsday and he'll be able to take a full power cosmic blast? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Norrin - he can't absorb Supes' solar energy, because Superman doesn't HAVE any solar energy!!! eek!

Once he's absorbed solar energy, he turns it into a chemical to be stored ready for use.

It's exactly the same as we do with food.

If there was a superhero who could suck food straight out of people, he couldn't do anything to me. Because I don't have any bacon, or pancakes, or Snickers floating around inside me - it all gets turned into chemicals and stored for when I need it.

surfer can manipulate matter at a molecular level. Why would it matter in the slightest that Supes has "stored" the energy in the form of chemical bonds?

Oh, and http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm says Surfer absorbs Supes energy, perhaps you'd like to direct me to the source that says Surfer cant smokin'


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surfer can manipulate matter at a molecular level. Why would it matter in the slightest that Supes has "stored" the energy in the form of chemical bonds?

Oh, and http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm says Surfer absorbs Supes energy, perhaps you'd like to direct me to the source that says Surfer cant smokin'


Thats just a Wizard list from a journalist


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please, some respect. Youre talking about blasts that have destroyed planets
Can you show proof of Surfer destroying a planet with cosmic blasts?

Annual #7 does not count that wasnt a planet and it wasnt totally his power that did so.


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Something I forgot to add.

In every bio that I have read whether its on a website or a Marvel encyclopedia all of them have said his cosmic blasts have enough power to LEVEL A CITY not destroy a planet.

He is gonna have to bring more than that to this dance Happy Dance


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Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Norrin - he can't absorb Supes' solar energy, because Superman doesn't HAVE any solar energy!!! eek!

Once he's absorbed solar energy, he turns it into a chemical to be stored ready for use.

It's exactly the same as we do with food.

If there was a superhero who could suck food straight out of people, he couldn't do anything to me. Because I don't have any bacon, or pancakes, or Snickers floating around inside me - it all gets turned into chemicals and stored for when I need it.


i was just curious i didn´t said ss would beat supes like that,


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Something I forgot to add.

In every bio that I have read whether its on a website or a Marvel encyclopedia all of them have said his cosmic blasts have enough power to LEVEL A CITY not destroy a planet.

He is gonna have to bring more than that to this dance Happy Dance


The Ultimate guide to Superman says that he has the strength to move a mountain. Does that mean that that's his limit? laughing

How about you read the plethora of Silver Surfer comics you supposedly own, instead of quoting a Marvel Encyclopedia. He's capable of much more, and you know it. Well, at least you should. Superman's going down in this fight.

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Can you show proof of Surfer destroying a planet with cosmic blasts?

Annual #7 does not count that wasnt a planet and it wasnt totally his power that did so.


You probably could. You own all of his comics, don't you? roll eyes (sarcastic)

You're in denial. He destroyed the planet himself during the annual. Only one guy was standing when the dust settled.

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surfer can manipulate matter at a molecular level. Why would it matter in the slightest that Supes has "stored" the energy in the form of chemical bonds?

Oh, and http://www.silver-surfer.us/Top10list/Top10list.htm says Surfer absorbs Supes energy, perhaps you'd like to direct me to the source that says Surfer cant smokin'


Superman's energy is NOT stored as ATP. When Triumph turned on the JLA, he pulled solar energy from Superman's body. Besides that, food isn't immediately metabolized. It is stored as food, and broken down further into glucose. How can you compare light to any form of matter? Light can't be broken down.

Honestly, people. Respect Silver Surfer. At least read up on the character before you say he's over-hyped.

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The Ultimate guide to Superman says that he has the strength to move a mountain. Does that mean that that's his limit? laughing


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How about you read the plethora of Silver Surfer comics you supposedly own, instead of quoting a Marvel Encyclopedia. He's capable of much more, and you know it. Well, at least you should. Superman's going down in this fight.



You probably could. You own all of his comics, don't you? roll eyes (sarcastic)

You're in denial. He destroyed the planet himself during the annual. Only one guy was standing when the dust settled.





Superman's energy is NOT stored as ATP. When Triumph turned on the JLA, he pulled solar energy from Superman's body. Besides that, food isn't immediately metabolized. It is stored as food, and broken down further into glucose. How can you compare light to any form of matter? Light can't be broken down.

Honestly, people. Respect Silver Surfer. At least read up on the character before you say he's over-hyped.


Only some food is stored as Glucose (as Glycogen)most carbohydrate is stored as fat and amino acids (nitrogen containing) are used for growth and repair and if the body is in in a state of anabolism stored as Muscle. A while ago I told you I was a scientist CC, well this is my area big grin


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The Ultimate guide to Superman says that he has the strength to move a mountain. Does that mean that that's his limit? laughing

How about you read the plethora of Silver Surfer comics you supposedly own, instead of quoting a Marvel Encyclopedia. He's capable of much more, and you know it. Well, at least you should. Superman's going down in this fight.



You probably could. You own all of his comics, don't you? roll eyes (sarcastic)

You're in denial. He destroyed the planet himself during the annual. Only one guy was standing when the dust settled.



Superman's energy is NOT stored as ATP. When Triumph turned on the JLA, he pulled solar energy from Superman's body. Besides that, food isn't immediately metabolized. It is stored as food, and broken down further into glucose. How can you compare light to any form of matter? Light can't be broken down.

Honestly, people. Respect Silver Surfer. At least read up on the character before you say he's over-hyped.




I agree SS is going to beat Supes but what you said about the ATP thing is wrong. If light cannot be broken down what do plants use for food? Of course it can be broken down.


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hmm, perhaps you should check out the scans on pg3 of this thread. it's what have you don't for me lately, that counts . . .

supes has taken 'cosmic' blasts from galactus, imperiex, parallax and darkseid's omega beams - that's just a couple big guys off the top of my head. i could look up a dozen others, but don't see the point. ss going one on one against supes with strictly his blasts won't get it done. i already said ss is more versatile than supes and would likely win this battle - he would do it because he has more abilities, not because he could 'blast' supes to death. he could prevent supes from absorbing energy then avoid him long enough to weaken supes. THEN he could blast him. even then, supes would give him absolute hell before he fell.

and cube, there's no way ss 'cracked' that planet in annual 7 by himself. the destruction was pretty clearly a result of his battle with morg when they BOTH cut loose. AND they were still standing on the planet when the battle was done so where is everyone getting the idea they even 'destroyed' it in the first place!?

ss has more powers than supes and if he used them properly he would win. if he made it a 'tough guy contest', supes could take him, like he's taken a hundred cosmic characters before.


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I agree SS is going to beat Supes but what you said about the ATP thing is wrong. If light cannot be broken down what do plants use for food? Of course it can be broken down.


Light can't be broken down. Plants use solar energy to form chemical bonds during photosynthesis. The light itself isn't broken down. How can you obtain Carbon Hydrogen and Oxygen from a photon? I mean... just ask whirlysplat. wink

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Only some food is stored as Glucose (as Glycogen)most carbohydrate is stored as fat and amino acids (nitrogen containing) are used for growth and repair and if the body is in in a state of anabolism stored as Muscle. A while ago I told you I was a scientist CC, well this is my area big grin


Biology too? :gasp:

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If Superman's body doesn't contain solar energy, could anyone explain why Triumph was able to pull it from his body?

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Cosmic Blasts are capable of destroying stars. They are far from worthless. Surfer was obviously holding back when he fought Henshaw. Thing has taken cosmic blasts from Surfer when he's holding back. Norrin isn't a killer. If he wanted to destroy Cyborg, he was very capable. Galactus didn't just "do something to him," he turned him into a non-sentient brick.

Surfer took a blast that would destroy a planet and responded as though it were a gentle breeze. What is Superman going to do to hurt him?


Destroy henshaw? The guy who survived black holes? SS blasts are not more powerful than black holes. They also aren't more powerful than omega beams, we both know that.
Supes has taken planet destroying blasts himself.
SS board was broken by Cable. Same material SS is made from. Is cable stronger than SS and Supes?

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Only some food is stored as Glucose (as Glycogen)most carbohydrate is stored as fat and amino acids (nitrogen containing) are used for growth and repair and if the body is in in a state of anabolism stored as Muscle. A while ago I told you I was a scientist CC, well this is my area big grin


Is any of that really relevant? You and I both know that light isn't broken down into ATP. Plants require more than sunlight alone to sustain themselves. Superman lives on sunlight alone. Obviously, he's storing it.

When did his writers ever suggest that he metabolizes solar energy?

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