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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the guy has limits and can't match up with the Hulk in terms of strength or the Sentry. Superman is still an equal to Marvel in strength.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
when he cuts loose, he has potentially no limit.

he's above marvel, too.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
No, when he cuts loose he is just like any other hero who holds back most of the time. He has limits. How is he above Marvel?

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Originally posted by -Pr-
higher feats.

and no, he isn't just like any hero. when he cuts loose his power boost is phenomenol. that's been shown more than once. he becomes far more powerful.

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Originally posted by kgkg
Very few character can match Superman in the Strength category. Superman just becomes as stronger as the character he is fighting most of the time.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Where've you been you bastard?

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Originally posted by roughrider
Some truth to that; he can push himself. However, unlike Hulk he cannot sustain it very long. What has been shown in storylines like The Death Of Superman & Avengers/JLA, is that he puts himself in danger of burnout if he pushes himself too hard for too long, and can empty his tank completely unless he gets a chance to recharge & heal.

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Originally posted by Spire
Yeah... well... he was still powerful enough to have Herc's adamantine mace shatter on his body.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, far more powerful is just like Thor but just like Thor they both have limits. Hulk and the sentry don't.


Higher feats are all well and good but he has more appearances but when they clash they are written like strength equals. But for some reason since I was arguing about strength I thought this was only about strength forgetting to peek up again at the topic. I think Superman is more powerful than Marvel just not stronger.

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Originally posted by roughrider
Some truth to that; he can push himself. However, unlike Hulk he cannot sustain it very long. What has been shown in storylines like The Death Of Superman & Avengers/JLA, is that he puts himself in danger of burnout if he pushes himself too hard for too long, and can empty his tank completely unless he gets a chance to recharge & heal.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
im talking about strength. power, as in how powerful his strength is.



he can sustain it plenty, and has done on panel. dos was 15 years ago at least, and jla avengers isnt exactly the best example either. he's had massive amps since then.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Then I feel he's an equal to Marvel.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
and i don't, based on feats.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't determine superiority imo. especially when they match up they are written as equals. Superman has more feats because he has more appearances and even one of his better ambiguous strength feats in fc was done with the aid of another Marvel. I know you disagree but comparisons have always been the ultimate determining factor as feats are usually only exclusive for one character. Only if you have a feat both characters attempted and one succeeded at do we have a measure of how these characters compare.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
when they fight, though, neither man is using his true, full on strength though, which is the difference imo.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You're right but with both holding back they are looked at as equals so it makes sense to me that both would still be equals when they both cut loose.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
why?

why do you assume that both have the same capacity to amp?

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Because they have always been written as equals and there's no reason to assume Superman greatly surpasses him when he hasn't in a direct confrontation.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
they have been writtens as equal in a slug fest due to billy' magical abilities.

that still doesnt account for clark's insane ability to amp, which has been shown on panel.

they've never fought in anything resembling a proper "i want to kill you" fight, though.