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To answer someone's question about "what if" comics....Some are excellent, others are not. I have a "what if the Silver Surfer possesed the Infinity Guantlet" and it's one of my favorite comics.
I don't remember but i think he basically zooms by Thanos when his hand is cocked back to deck Captain America's shield and takes it straight off his hand. Then he's brought before the Living Tribunal and i forget what happens...i think he snaps his fingers and eliminates all of the Cosmic Beings or something obsurd....still a good comic.
You should stop judging characters by who beat the hulk. There are so many cosmic beings that could smush the Hulk without even a second thought. For instance, if Galactus wanted to, he could simply EAT the Hulk. Like some kind of green Hershey's kiss.
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Does anyone think Thor is stronger when he is honorable. That is why Odin supported him on Earth. Todays Thor seems less honorable than classic Thor. I was talking about this thread with some boys, 3 said Thor, 1 said Surfer. They're both tough nuts, but Surfer is always busy moving and staying steady, where Thor spends his down time relaxing like a god. Seems to me Surfer puts more energy into his power than Thor. Plus i think Surfer is stronger in body. He's sleeker, his muscle has less fat, be it human "fat" or space fat. His eyes are probley white holes so I'd go with Surfer.
Oblivion, Death, Eternity, Infinity (and similar beings)
Phoenix Force, Galactus, The Stranger, Master Order, Lord Chaos
The Watchers, Skyfather (Thor with Odin-Force)
The Elders of the Universe
Never, it was my understanding that a single watcher and single celestial were about the same level, and the same level as Galactus...I would figure a Watcher would be vastly stronger than Zeus or Odin...whats ur opinion.
Hmm, let me think about that for awhile. Here is an official endorsement, however:
Watchers can also psionically manipulate energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. >>>The limits of this capacity are not known: it is probably on the same basic level as such Earth gods as Odin and Zeus<<< or such alien races as the Elan.
Notice I have The Watchers even with Odin-Force Thor.
Okay...will say that Galactus portrayals have been wildly inaccurate.
For example, in a Marvel vs. DC Crossover (written by John Byrne, who has quite a bit of Galactus knowledge), Darkseid gave some long boring speech (I hate DC for the most part) about his Omega Beams being the end-all. He unleashed them on Galactus...
...and Galactus smirked at him. He then put Darkseid on his ass with one energy beam.
In "What If Phoenix Had Not Died" Galactus states that he is more powerful than Phoenix, and she kind of acquiesces. Now I am not certain if it is because it is Jean Grey or he was simply being truthful. If he said that to DARK Phoenix she would have told him to kiss her Kotex.
THEN in Excalibur Rachel simply put the smackdown on Galactus. She is NOT nearly as nasty as Dark Phoenix, so...how to explain that?
Will do some more checking on The Celestials and The Watchers...but I **do think** that the list is generally correct as regards to the power hierarchy.
thats cool...yea i do think there has been some confusion caused by the encounters between Phoenix and Galactus...its just that i think Reed once said that Uatu's power could rival Galactus...and when the Watchers and the Celestials had their war...it appeared that the combined power of the watchers equaled the combined power of the celestials...I think maybe not all watchers have equal power...same goes for the celestials....and as for Galactus, his power fluctuates a lot, depending on how hungry he is...