ok....... you said ask anybody, why don't you read the issues. i already told you what surfer said. would you like the quotes again?? he admits thor is more powerful, and he says thor cannot stand up to the wrath of the silver surfer..... which he is easily proven wrong. even classic thor had access to the godforce blast, which caused galactus to flee (whom is hordes of power above surfer) so how exactly would surfer stand up to that my friend?? can't you just admit for once when you are wrong??
I don't CARE about the issues. I don't CARE about what he said in ONE COMIC BOOK.
YOU were one of the SAME people on here crying about how VENOM stood up to Juggernaut's HARDEST PUNCHES in their mini-series, RIGHT?
Oh now you don't remember? Although Juggernaut has been CONSISTENTLY portrayed as being MORE powerful than Venom, Venom sat there and withstood a BEATING by Juggernaut - you know, Juggernaut who "punches through dimensional barriers."
Silver Surfer is CONSISTENTLY portrayed as being MORE powerful than CLASSIC THOR. CONSISTENTLY.
I don't know about YOU, but I have almost Walt Simonson's entire run of Thor. I am QUITE familiar with the character, and I KNOW that Silver Surfer is FAR more powerful than THOR.
Who CARES if his GEB caused Galactus to flee? Galactus ran from Rachel as PHOENIX. He ran from DARK PHOENIX. He ran from the FANTASTIC FOUR.
but what you are saying is rather mute..... it doesn't validate your arguement that surfer is more powerful. what makes you think that he is?? just because you have alot of thor comics??? i'm not sure where you are drawing your conclusions from. again..... where he admitted thor was more powerful, and where thor had nearly rendered him unconscious with a single blow were 2 separate comics. not just 1 as you have stated. in every confrontation it is clear that thor is more powerful. yet you still just say things like " i have this" or " silver surfer is more powerful consistantly" yet you don't provide any information with it. just your OPINION.
"what makes you think that he is?? just because you have alot of thor comics???"
I can vouch that more often than not, regardless of who I think would win this battle (Note that I said Surfer would win a few, but Thor the majority), Surfer is more often than not portrayed as Thor's superior.
can anybody back up thier claims (give proof) of why they think surfer would win this battle??? when has surfer -EVER- proven equal to thor, let alone his superior???? can anybody give me an answer on this one?? cause more often than not THOR has proven SUPERIOR to SILVER SURFER.
speed:
surfer wins this one, do i have to explain why? once he was in a galaxy far far away (no this is not star wars) and in five minutes he was able to come to earth, 99% of speed of light, hability to Dimension Travel: Once its maximum speed is reached, the board can enter hyper-space to quickly reach any section of the universe.
Phasing: The board has the Monstrous ability to render itself and its rider(s) temporarily immaterial. This power is used to enable them to pass through a barrier or to travel through space without risking collision damage with spaceborne particles.
Invulnerability:
Surfer - Cl1000 resistance to Fire, Heat, Cold, Radiation, Toxins, Disease and Aging
thor - has CL1000 Resistance to Disease
it seems to me they are almost equal, but surfer wins again.
Fighting habilities:
thor wins in this one, surfer was a scientis not a warrior, although surfer is improving as fighter, thor is far superior.
Healing factor:
altough thor has the ability to heal faster, surfer can heal others, and heal himself, with Unearthly ability.
and what about the rest of the powers, thor has mjolnir and thanks to that he donīt get his ass kicked in 5 secondes (exagerating), but surfer can re-arrange molecules ( Reconstitute matter to his own desires),
The Surfer has the power to channel cosmic radiation into his body and transform it into useful forms, including sustenance and energy for his other powers, Telepathy, the ability to emit blasts of Unearthly intensity from his hands, and i could go on and on.
LMAO @ "I don't provide information." Perhaps you simply fail to PROCESS the information that I give you.
I KNOW Surfer is more powerful than Thor because I KNOW my characters, unlike YOU. LoL, if you simply looked a their PROFILES you would know this also (egads, not the PROFILES that don't say that Juggernaut has a HEALING FACTOR and is IMMORTAL).
Who cares if Thor nearly knocked Surfer out? Doc Samson knocked HULK out - does that mean Doc Samson is more powerful than Hulk? Duh?
Such a HYPOCRITE you are. Love how you ignored the VENOM vs. JUGGERNAUT example that I gave you - when we ALL know that Juggernaut is far more powerful than Venom but he stands up to him in a THREE ISSUE MINI SERIES. So we should ALLLLLL assume VENOM can hold his own against Juggernaut, RIGHT?
Do you READ? Thor beats Silver Surfer in FIGHTS because Surfer is characterized as a PACIFIST. What part DON'T you understand? You DO know what a PACIFIST is, correct? GANDHI vs. MIKE TYSON. How about that?
SURFER CANNOT FIGHT. Should I attach fireworks, bells, and WHISTLES? Can you hear me now?
SURFER. CANNOT. FIGHT.
THOR has fought for THOUSANDS of years.
HOWEVER, Surfer is capable of doing things Thor cannot DREAM of doing because he is more POWERFUL. SPIDERMAN beat the HELL out of FIRELORD because SPIDERMAN CAN FIGHT. FIRELORD CANNOT.
So according to YOUR warped logic, Spiderman is MORE POWERFUL than Firelord. LMAO!
Spiderman beat the HELL out of Titania in Secret Wars #8. Beat her ASS.
So according to YOUR warped logic, Spiderman is MORE POWERFUL than Titania.
You don't know what you are talking about. PERIOD. Thor is NOT more powerful than Silver Surfer - that is why we (well those of us who KNOW a thing or two about comics) categorize characters as COSMICS (Silver Surfer, Phoenix, Thanos, yadda yadda).
but thor is a GOD. he HAS BEATEN silver surfer. silver surfer had to fight for beta ray bills life. alotta good that did him though. he has *KEY WORDS HERE* ADMITTED that thor was MORE POWERFUL.
Juggernaut Has some sort of regenerative capabilities. it's obvious you are basing your juggernaut vs. threads on old cartoons or something. you aren't expected to believe anything about juggernaut vs. venom, except for that venom got pummeled in the process. eddie brock would have been dead, if it hadn't been for merging with the liquid mercury.
well, thor would still win this fight. weather it be by fighting skills, or because he is more POWERFUL (SILVER SURFER HAS ADMITTED THIS, WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT IT????????)
Venom did beat the shit out of juggernaut, but that was because juggernaut was operating lower than normal, and that juggernaut was in venoms comic... of course venom is gonna be beating him up. But juggernaut did knock him up and down the road... Much as I hate to say so... I love venom, and juggernaut, its hard to say bad things about either of them in that comic.
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come on, so you are saying that surfer said that thor is more powerful and because of that he would loose? but if we talk about the fight of venom vs juggernaught you will say that the story was BS because juggernaugh should have been able to beat the crap out of venom, and you are right, thats why what surfer said about being less powerful then thor is also BS.
"well, thor would still win this fight. weather it be by fighting skills, or because he is more POWERFUL (SILVER SURFER HAS ADMITTED THIS, WHY CAN'T YOU ACCEPT IT????????)"
Being an open forum, I'll field this also. I said Thor would win a majority. If they had 10 fights Surfer would win about 3-4. Coz he can beat Thor. Thor is stronger, but Surfer CAN beat him and HAS. Whether he would do it more than Thor, I doubt. But he is capable of coming out on top. Dragon made a great point about Venom winning in his own comic. Surfer has won in his own comic and so has Thor. So we go back and forth.
These VS threads are getting out of hand, and if you read that woman post alpha, Sorry about that I got carried away.
But honestly, we really gotta stop this juggernaut VS hulk crap. Honestly, this one goes to the cosmos, a god VS a cosmically intuned warrior... No one is gonna come out a winner. Cant you see it people?
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That's the problem with these vs-threads : when your fighters are too equal (Surfer-Thor/Juggernaut-Hulk), you can expect these endless discussions...
Normally I try to stay away from them, but I don't always manage .
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That is exactly my point though. People claim something as fact, another gets pissed off and says it's not and claims another fact that also isn't true. It gets so bad that no one can spot the real facts. I think the facts and history weigh heavily in Hulks favour against Juggernaut but with Surfer/Thor, as I said I think it's a matter of different writers, different comics, different timelines/powers/back ups etc.
no, i said he would win 1) because he already DID and 2) because surfer has admitted it.
back to venom vs juggernaut...... have you even read the 3 part mini series?? you are only strengthening my arguement by bringing this up. juggernaut DID beat the crap out of venom, and had it not been for eddie brock merging with the living mercury brock would have died. he pummeled his ass in that comic.
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