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OK, I take back my answer.

The entire clone storyline is Spidey's biggest and scariest enemy. That horrible mess nearly killed Spidey for real back in the day. I can't believe someone had the gall to bring that up. You oughta be ashamed of yourself, buddy.




LOL this is true, "Maximum Clonage" what the hell!?

the only good part about it was Scarlet Spider and he died!


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fvj, read the miller run. DD is awesome, and probably has the most character out of any superhero. who other than mysterio would have an evil plan to (DUM DUM DUM!!!!) rob a nursing home through insurance fraud!!!!! is the new mysterio any different? or is he even more of a dork?


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quote:
Originally posted by Creechuur
OK, I take back my answer.

The entire clone storyline is Spidey's biggest and scariest enemy. That horrible mess nearly killed Spidey for real back in the day. I can't believe someone had the gall to bring that up. You oughta be ashamed of yourself, buddy.




lol

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LOL this is true, "Maximum Clonage" what the hell!?

the only good part about it was Scarlet Spider and he died!


The Scarlett Spider was the original Spider-Man aka Peter Parker who believed he was the clone. The clone actually took over Peter Parker aka Spider-Man. It's all confusing actually. But eventually it all got sorted out and the Scarlett Spider turned out to be the real Spidey and the clone was sent packing. Fans wanted it that way.

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The Scarlett Spider was the original Spider-Man aka Peter Parker who believed he was the clone. The clone actually took over Peter Parker aka Spider-Man. It's all confusing actually. But eventually it all got sorted out and the Scarlett Spider turned out to be the real Spidey and the clone was sent packing. Fans wanted it that way.


What? NO!

Scarlet Spider was Ben Reilly.

Spiderman was Peter Parker.

Originally, Ben Reilly thought he was the clone. That's why he was Scarlet Spider. He left when he realised he was the clone. When he came back, it was revealed Peter may have been the clone all along. Peter even lost his powers, and went off to live with MJ. Ben, who everybody thought was the real deal, became Spiderman (if you are wonderring who that Spiderman is who wore the webshooters on the outside of his suit and the huge spider emblem- thats him).

The fans felt cheated that for many many years, they had been reading Peter Parkers story, a mere clone. Not only that but the suit wasnt as good. The fans rebelled.

So, Peter Parker came back, still "knowing" he was the clone. His powers returned, one scene with him actually dying, then coming back in a hospital. He occasionally helped Ben (Spiderman) fight the likes of The Sentinals during the Onslaught saga.

Then, Green Goblin returned, in what could be described as one of my favourite issues ever.

He comes back, reveals he was the one manipulating all the bad things in Peters life (the Jackal etc). Also, as Gobby has a fight with Peter on a

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cont.

rooftop, and tries the old "impale-spiderman-on-the-glider" trick. Ben jumps in the way to save Peter, gets thrown into the air and crashes into a taxi below. Peter sees Ben "dissolve" - showing that Ben was DEFINITELY the clone all along, even after everybody thought Peter was the clone, and he lost his powers, then got them back.

Peter fights Gobby, Peter resumes as the one and only Spiderman. End of clone saga.

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Really. Hmm. I heard and read differently.

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hhaha REd Superfly is correct. I've read the comics and books that narrate all this mess and check out any spider-man fact file/history, etc. It's all in there.


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hahhah do u guys remember in Spidey Animated 90s episode "I really really really hate clones" Ben Reilly was there? That was really interesting the way he was portrayed.

My favorite quote was when the episode made fun of the entire twisted clone saga in the comics. Real Spidey said (after hearing all the clone stories):

"This is beginning to sound like a really bad comic book plot!"

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spideys most formidable foes are green goblin, and doc ock. They always concieve the most threatning challenges and traps for spidey. Kraven, shocker, sandman, and the symbiote duo are his most physical threatning


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er..i tough ben reily lived;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;i stop buying spider after all clone stuff................who garantees now if pp is not a clone still and real pp is dead?

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or even if this norman is not a clon?or the older whatever

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NO MORE CLONE TALK!!!!!

I spent years successfully purging that storyline from my mind. This thread is undoing all my hard work...

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spideys most formidable foes are green goblin, and doc ock. They always concieve the most threatning challenges and traps for spidey. Kraven, shocker, sandman, and the symbiote duo are his most physical threatning


Kraven? i dunno, but i never felt that he was too tough of a villain. he seemed mostly arrogant and even though he put up a few good fights, it never seemed like he really had any chance of actually finishing spidey off... but i could be wrong O_O


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Kraven? i dunno, but i never felt that he was too tough of a villain. he seemed mostly arrogant and even though he put up a few good fights, it never seemed like he really had any chance of actually finishing spidey off... but i could be wrong O_O


dont forget that later kraven made a a magic formula (lie green goblin) that enhanced his strengh this also made him mad and when he realised he couldnt kill spider he suicided (or not )

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he came back or heis son or them both dont remember well

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er..i tough ben reily lived;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;i stop buying spider after all clone stuff................who garantees now if pp is not a clone still and real pp is dead?


Ben Reilly DISSOLVED before Peters eyes when he was killed by the Goblin.

Do you really need any more proof?

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Here's an EVEN SHORTER synopsis.

Jackal makes clone.

Spideys fight.

One believes he's the clone. He leaves - calls himself Ben Reilly, colours his hair blonde. He becomes the Scarlet Spider.

Spiderman carries on - happy.

Scarlet Spider returns into Peters life. They are friends now. They become like brothers.

Tests reveal Pete may be the clone.

Pete loses powers, lives with MJ.

All signs point to Peter being the clone.

Ben takes over as Spiderman. With a new, infinitely less popular costume.

Fans write to Stan Lee. Stan Lee brings Peter back.

Peter regains powers.

Goblin conveniently kills Ben Reilly on his important return.

Ben Reilly dissolves.

Peter is the ONLY Spiderman. Norman is a very much alive Goblin. Clone Ben is dead.That's it.

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Can somebody please tell me about Sandman and his powers and why he is so threatning?

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