vader is like a joke to doom. hes seen the beyonder,galactus, and others beings powers that would laugh at vader. vader goes down harder than the first time he met count dooku.
I thought that the premise of this fight meant that neither combatant were prepped. What this means is that they were both summoned to an arena without knowing the abilities of the other. Doom is usually the victor in such cases, because he has time to study his victims... in this case he does not have this luxury. Vader does not need prep as he has the force to guage his opponents strengths and, weakness'. The movie version of Vader happens in a time that he was inept at using the force. an older more seasoned Vader would have no problem against the likes of Dooku. Vader will surely win. He has too many natural abilities for Doom to withstand his frontal assault. like I said if Doom had prep time this fight would be over before it began. Doom would win, but this type of fight is in Vaders favor.
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It probably wouldn't, because most of the magicians in Marvel seem to summon the power of demons or deities, so using it successfully would require bringing them along purely for the possibility of being summoned. But that depends on where the battle takes place.
Force moves that work directly on the body work be manipulating the Force within the target body, don't they? Even in an amalgamed universe, those moves might not be so effective against someone with no Force in their being. In that situation, however, magic wouldn't have that limitation. But in spite of Doom's magic upbringing, I can count the number of times he's actually used it on one miniseries.
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I don't know...The "Star Wars" universe IS different than the "marvel" universe and "our" real universe. Who's to say which one is "stronger"? The Force or Magic?
From what I see in the movies :
Vader and Jedi Knights can deflect a balster shot (a laser,at light speed)!
In other words vader's reflexes (with the power of the Force) react at LIGHT speed! Can you say DC's Flash?
He can "sense" Doom's (or any other threat) a galaxy away.
His light saber can absorb energy blasts.
Vader can KILL an entire planet's population and sleep like a baby! He makes Hitler look like a Boy Scout! The ultimate Bad Guy!
Who's to say that Vader's light saber can't cut through Doom's force field and armor? These are DIFFERENT energies,from different universes.
Can Doom block Vader's "mind tricks"?? Who knows?....They might not work OR Vader could make Doom dance around like a chicken! We just don't know! Are humans from Earth/Marvel the same as the "humans" of Star Wars? We don't know.do we?
The people in Star Wars that have the force do not carry side arms. They don't need them. If Vader wanted to he could whip up a hand held Ion cannon and blast Doom to bits. Could he? Yeah,I think he could
Vader even without his "armor" is stronger and faster than Doom. If they both were wearing just there Fruit of the Looms Vader kicks Doom's ass. Vader is WAY above Doom in H2H combat.
Is Doom smarter than Vader? I don't know? They both could get the job done using tech and planning.
Vader is like the #2 Bad Guy in the Star Wars universe.
Is Doom the #2 Bad Guy in the Marvel world? I don't know,you tell me.
I'm not a big Star Wars fan but in this case I cast my vote for VADER.
Doom ftw, with consummate ease.
Vader tries the Force stuff, realises he's dealing with a being from a universe without "Force", as a result it just works like TK, slow and cumbersome. Doom gets pissed off, zaps Vader's lightsaber off the face of the planet, Vader struggles to pull it back to him, Doom blasts Vader's arm off. Vader's TK chokehold wanes, as Vader's mind strains under the effort of repairing/stenching the wounds inflicted by Doom.
Doom decides he's gonna let Vader live, as a witness to the glory of Doom and a warning to all other StarWars creatures that you don't mess with Doom, so he lops off Vader's left leg, letting Vader fall to the ground, and begins to walk away.
Vader, lying on the ground utters "Come back you yellow bastard, I'll bite your legs off!" ...
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I haven't seen any kind of shot, blast, or beam in the Star Wars movies fire at light speeds. They actually look like they're moving slower than bullets because you can easily track them with your eyes.
Saber vs Doom armor, if he doesn't have any kind of force field reinforcing it, I think it'd do at least some damage. Qui Gon seemed to be able to pierce that door pretty quick but had some trouble getting a hole made and Doom's stuff is just stupidly powerful sometimes.
I'd bet money on mind tricks not working on Doom. It only works on the weak minded to begin with, right?
And no, Doom isn't the #2 villain Marvel. There are more dangerous animals on the food chain, but he's absurdly high for being a guy who doesn't even technically have any powers.
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Swanky-Tuna, The reason you can "see" the Blaster shots is because it's a "movie". It's for visual effect. Star Wars has single man ships that can travel across the universe in a few hours. I would think they could invent a blaster that can shoot faster than bullets. If that were the case than ditch the blaster and break out the Colt 45.
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The Force is considered energy based it comes from all living beings and essences of the universe (stars, planets, whatever makes the universe tick). Vader could in fact feed off of the energy in Doom and use it against him. With Precognition Vader would sense it coming. Vader would just use his force hand wave and command Doom to go away and kill himself.
Vader would sense the great energy in Doom and come up with a plan (while fighting Doom...choking him in mid-air). Vader would see that the energy in Doom would be an execellent source to power a new Death Star and try to work a deal with him.
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Unless I'm forgetting some obscure martial arts character, Marvel doesn't have life forces, chi, or even chakras. Everything runs off biochemical responses and electromagnetic and nuclear reactions. If it was a DC character, they'd be screwed hardcore because of Karate Kid and his excessive chi feats.
And Doom has no powers, he's just human. If by "energy" you mean his passion and stuff, maybe, if possible. If force users can sense any energy, then maybe his miniature black hole generator or miniature fusion generator or whatever little thought out power supply he has at the time.
What about the jedi moving at less than subsonic speeds to block the shots? Visual effect? Sounds like excuses to me.
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Swanky-Tuna - "What about the jedi moving at less than subsonic speeds to block the shots? Visual effect? Sounds like excuses to me."
I don't think an any actor can move his arm at "near sonic,supersonic or light speed" to block a blaster shot..........Again, it's a movie and YES it's done for visual effect...Do you really think a blaster shot is SLOWER then a speeding bullet????? In Star Trek their phasers are suped up lasers....yet we can see the shot......Are phasers "slower" than bullets? No....it's a visual effect.
I think most people would agree with me on this point......
People like Skywalker and Vader not only can block the shots but send the shot back to the original point of origin. And with the force being so strong in them the can do it blindfolded. The force "guides" them..Yoda can lift a X-wing fighter out of a swamp by waving his hand..Vader "might" be able to compress and crush Doom's armor,thus killing him,forcefield and all. The key word is "might"......We don't know how the force will effect people outside of the Star Wars universe.
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You mean just seeing it at all or going from point A to point B? I can only remember phasers appearing either instantly or almost instantly as a beam already hitting or missing its target when the button is pressed.
This is sans the original series because they didn't have the technology to make Christmas lights move that fast back then.
Going just by the movies, I haven't seen any force strength feats that would affect Doom's armor directly. EU, Vader can just throw stars and kamehamehas at Doom until he dies. But yeah, we don't really know the effect. Especially on someone who makes as little sense as Doom. Telepathy doesn't work on him because he doesn't want it to and he tricks beings who have eons of intelligence. It's hypocritical that I compared EU Star Wars to DBZ but have no criticism against Doom's impossible antics. But when Doom does it, I have to cheer him on for being such a crazy bastard.
Damn, I knew there was one I couldn't think of. He still can't do a whole lot with it, but that leaves the variables of his ability/skill and how much is there to manipulate to begin with that leaves it ambiguous.
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