no dude, as strong as the force is its no match for dooms magic, and vader knows this would be a tuff fight, and he never uses his force stuff first in a tuff fight, he always goes with the light saber fisrt
that's like saying voodoo is stronger than God... (no comments on that one, please) but seriously. The force IS existance... magic is just manipulation of existance, and hence the force completely overwhelms it.
You contradicted yourself by your own logic. If the Force IS existence, and magic is the manipulation of existence, could a magitian manipulate the Force?
Force = Existence. Magic = existence manipulation. Subsitute "existence" for it's apparent equal, and you get Magic = Force manipulation.
Mwahahaha, Dr. Doom is victorious again! Vader doesn't have shit on Doom.
alright, allow me to be more specific... the force is existance, controls everything in existance, and willingly allows things to control it. Magic is the manipulation of existance, but in a universe where existance has to "give permission" for something to wield it (jedi) then magic cannot perform AGAINST it.
in the starwars universe there is no magic, just the force, so in the marvel universe how do u know that magic users arent just force users, it is probably the equivilant, so doom in the starwars universe would just be a kick ass force user
yes, but one is being allowed to control existance (vader/jedi) and the other is asking the existance being controlled to falter in its ways (doom/magic). Sorry, but the force isn't gonna bend for a non-force wielder.
dude... really... LEARN HOW TO READ... never once in any of my posts did i say doom would beat vader. in fact, saying that there is magic already in SW universe is giving more power to vader than doom. Cuz any of the magic people in SW get whooped up on by the force, seeing as the force wielders can just take away their abilities...
Yup. He doesn't read your mind. He takes over your entire body and his mind operates your body hence "mind switch."
so its a mind switch...
and that means it cant work on Vader because its still a form of telepathy.
i thought that we settled this argument along time ago, doom owns all
you havent stated any reasons to counter mine why doom owns all...
If he had time, he could learn everything about the force. But again, without prep, Doom still beats Vader's ass.
as we stated before, beings from outside the Star Wars galaxy cannot use the Force in any way.
as strong as the force is its no match for dooms magic
the Force is life itself. how is magic stronger than life?
Kontraz, your on the right track, but your not hitting it right. The Force is in all living things, therefor its life itself. Its what creates life. Magic, no matter how powerful, cannot beat the creation of life. It may give life to the dead again, however it is not "pure" life, but rather a half-life. Also, the Force allows itself to be manipulated by certain people with certain traits. Magic, as well, allows itself to be manipulated, but not at a grand scale. Sure Doom could probably create anything he wanted, but with the Force there are no impossibilities. If any Jedi tasked himself to it, he probably could fly and achieve escape velocity. He could hold an atmospheric bubble to himself in space so he could survive. Again, magic isnt as powerful as the Force due to the fact that the Force is life itself, and that it has no impossibilities.
Also...me and Kontraz have given numerous reasons of why Vader would beat Doom. All ive heard so far for Doom's defense is "Doom would kick Vader's ass" with no reasoning behind it. If you want Doom to win this arguement, then post some reasons why he would win.
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You guys are all looney. Magic isn't part of anything to do with the force (based on marvel logic) as a matter of fact, magic would destroy doom. Why, you ask? Marvel's version of magic is a force that completely overule physics in general. Saying magic is existance is like saying matter is existance, but that doesn't stop magic from destroying matter, or creating it. Magic doesn't have to follow the laws of physics, therefore it doesn't have to follow the guidlines set down by the force. By the way, if we took both of these guy from their world and put them into a random room, neither would be able to use their abilitie. Why? Because how do we know medichlorines (Sp?) even exist in Marvel? Or doom's form of magic exists in SW universe? One form of magic isn't all forms of magic.
Also; if Vader has no force, he might as well kiss his ass goodbye, because that's all he's got.
i agree that vader relies 100% on the force...and i think this fight would boil down to this.... where does it take place? If its star wars universe, vader wins with the force, hands down. Marvel, there is no force, Doom wins, no question. If its somewhere else entirely (real world, maybe?) its up in the air. if neither get any "powers" its going to be a bitter brawl... what condition is doom in minus his suit and magic? Cuz if hes fine and healthy, he could PROBABLY beat up on an old man on life support... unless we are talking about pre-accident vader, who then would be victorious if no powers were in use.
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