Doom minus his suit and magic is still Doom. People think that he is the greatest villain in Marvel because of his suit, which is completely wrong. Doom is the most intelligent(Richards is his only equal), most cunning, most determined man in ALL of comics. You can bet that in the first match, Vader will not be fighting Doom himself, but a Doombot. Doom would be watching and learning from elsewhere, and when he is ready, appear before Vader, and use everything he learned against him. What's Vader got? 1. The lightsaber. Easy to parry. An energy absorbtion feild is enough. 2. The Force. Doom would realize after careful study that is a superior form of magic/some sort of manipulation. To counter this, he would have to incapacitate Vader right away. If you had read my posts before I bumped this thread up, you'd have seen that I pointed out Vader's life support system on his chest. Whoa! Vader's weakness! Guess what Doom will do? The life support system is his first proirity, and Vader would go down shortly after a blast to the chest.
Who said he had to be blasted with energy? You don't think Doom would know this from watching a fight? There are such things as projectile weapons you know. I find it funny that Doom can kick vader's ass with a 9 mm.
Doom would still win. There are too many ways to him kill the Vader. Like I said, if Luke could beat him, so could Doom. And, Doom would not leave it only to beating. And Doom's armor can absorb energy too.
You guys crack me up. No wait, you get on my nerves !!
The Force is stronger than magic blah blah.
Prove it ! Magic in the Marvel world has nothing (nada ! zip !) to do with the Force (and magic) in the Star Wars universe, so it’s no use comparing them. Saying that the Force is stronger than Marvel-magic makes as much sense as saying that Buddha is stronger than Loki.
Proves please ?
Bollocks. It’s not because you want something to believe, that it’s a fact. All talk but no proves. Not a single one.
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- without a doubt smarter than Vader
- probably stronger
- has a true armor with lots of hidden, powerful weapons, forcefields and God knows what
- is extremely strongwilled
- has no special weaknesses
- has magic at his disposal
- has fought much tougher enemies than Vader
Vader
- has a lightsaber
- has some kind of armor, which at the same time is his lifesupport
- weakness : life support
- has the Force (which isn't the most powerful and certainly not the fastest thing ever, don't care what everybody says)
So, Doom wins.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
- without a doubt smarter than Vader
- probably stronger
- has a true armor with lots of hidden, powerful weapons, forcefields and God knows what
- is extremely strongwilled
- has no special weaknesses
- has magic at his disposal
- has fought much tougher enemies than Vader
Vader
- has a lightsaber
- has some kind of armor, which at the same time is his lifesupport
- weakness : life support
- has the Force (which isn't the most powerful and certainly not the fastest thing ever, don't care what everybody says)
all right except your view of the Force. and that's what makes the difference in this fight.
If Doom would just get a clear shot, he could destroy Vader's life support system.
If Doom would get Vader unarmed, he could just hit him uncounsius or crack his back. Super strenght, you see.
Those are some. And remember, Electrity was deadly to Vader.
first statement is true. Second statement isnt. Force absoprtion. Next statement isnt true either. Vader would be able to sense Doom before he had the chance to get close. Last statement is also true, but that is only due to the fact that Vader was weakened due to his fight with Luke. If at full fighting capacity Vader could take on the Emperor, Force lightning or not.
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there are way too many books and comics that prove the Force is stronger. I cant name all of them, and i cant name all the reasons why the Force is stronger because there are too many.
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-Form bolts of energy with a great destructible power?
yes, if he tasked himself to it
-Make an astral form?
yes
-Teleport anywhere, even in another dimensions?
with a ship, yes he can
-Levitate?
yes
-Create portals anywhere?
yes
-Create illusions?
yes
and i fail to see why you're laughing.
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To be honest, dr. Doom isn't exactly the greatest magician ever... He's not bad at it, but nothing more. But he certainly is good enough to beat Vader.
So in these book they say that the Force is stronger than magic in the Marvel-universe ? I find that very hard to believe. Like DarkCrawler said, dr. Strange has done much more impressive things than Vader, the Emperor, Yoda and Luke together !!
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Well, I would like to see one of those guys (of all together, I don't mind) against the Beyonder, you know, the all powerful being Doom defeated when he was almost dead, by using his gigantic willpower...
Now don't get me wrong, I like Vader as much as anybody, maybe even more (don't like the Anakin dude in the new movies however), and he's an extremely dangerous man in the Star Wars universe. But Doom is too much to handle for him.
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