Depends. Homosexual is more or less the primary meaning of the word "gay", in today's society. The primary relevant meaning anyway. The dictionary probably still holds "happy" as the primary one by definition. The etymology of "gay" as it was to gay as it is now, is quite clearly a logical progression.
"Emo" in terms of it's meaning today and all it's other similar terms (Emo kid, Emo's etc) were not created via evolution from it's origin. Going by the etymology of "emo", you can see why. What began with Fugazi, Rites of Spring and Jawbreaker as "emotional/emotive hardcore" (for obvious reasons; "hardcore" bands producing "emotional" music and lyrics, more so than other "hardcore" bands), has become anything from Taking Back Sunday to My Chemical Romance to Fall Out Boy in the eyes of many. Evolution of the term would have been continual change in what was there, resulting in an always prominent connection to the original flag-bearers of the "genre". When you listen to Taking Back Sunday, Saves the Day or such (today's "emo" bands), you don't think "Oh yeah, I can hear how the term ended up here from beginning at Fugazi". You think "Anybody have a gun handy?".
Some clever (ironically stupid) scene kid just decided to start smacking labels on every band and now we have the "emo" of today. I don't even think the labels such as "emotional hardcore" were even necessary and I think those who started that are to blame for the labelling trends of today. It's out of desperation and the need to classify. I don't see Fugazi etc as "emotional hardcore". I see them as rock bands, just rock bands with different sounds to a lot of other rock bands. I'm not doing them any discredit because I'm still noting the fact that they are unique (which people seem to forget). I just don't need to label things in hopes that I'll look impressive.
Eh? I'm just saying that the majority of children in schools believe the definition which you so voraciously attack, and once they graduate and a newer generation replaces them, that's going to be the definition... if it isn't the one now.
It's never going to stop being out of control and wrong, the train has gone too far off the tracks. Will it continue to change? Yes. It's still not erasing the fact that the emo now isn't in any way affiliated with the emo that originally was and that the reason for this is because of stupid labelling. Any pointless diss involving the word "emo" is also pointless and more often than not, used by kids who have zero clue.
But does it matter if they ahve a clue or not? No, they will continue to use it and eventually "Pointless" will be our argueing about it as everyone will consider it the "Diss" until "EMO" fades out in light of the next generations... thing.
EDIT: Maybe it'd be better to wait a while and figure out a better way to explain my point.
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You're not arguing any different to me. The pointless has become the "relevant", yes this was never disputed. The reason why it does matter that they have no clue is because bands are getting wrongly labelled and refusing to say that doing so is bullshit just means that it's gonna get worse and worse.
Nobody talking sense with knowledge will ever be pointless. So no, you're wrong.
If you're not right on a subject in which there is a definitive right and wrong, then what are you? If you can't handle a discussion in which you've come out the wrong end, then don't enter it anyway. I'm not having a pop at you, but that's what's happened. If you're discussing an issue on which you're trying to semi-disagree with fact, you're not making it easy for yourself. I said you were wrong because you said the discussion of this subject will eventually be pointless. It won't be, because if you have sense and intelligence then there's always a point. Understand?
You aren't arguing any different than I am. Nobody can account for what idiots will do with a phrase or term, but the fact (because that's what it is) that they are wrong in their explanations, remains. So many people try to define "emo" and they do so in stupid ways. Either they're so ignorant to it that they described it as BackFire and others do, or they are too blind to realise where the origin is and describe it as some of the so-called "emo" fans have.
Let's see... Condenscending Tone: Check, long post: Check, Somewhat Hilarious Veiled Attacks That You Will Inveitably Feign Innocence For: Check, the word "Understand": Check, "I am right, you are wrong": Check, "I'm not making taking a jab at you even though everything else suggests otherwise": Check.
Gotta love the way that "tone" doesn't even exist here and also how you used the length of my post and even the word "understand" as a negative. Anyway, let's see:
Misundersating? Check. Self-hating in the hopes I'll look worse? Check. "I made myself look silly but don't like it" regrets? Check. "I can't admit that I was wrong, regardless of AC" notions? Check. Inability to accept when out of their depth? Check. Honed ability to blame their opponent for their own ineptitude? Check.
Yep, classic AC opponent (please log in to view the image).
Now either stop being immature and reply on topic or leave.
Df02, whenever you're around, I'm curious. What bands that are currently perceived as "emo" do you class as genuine "emo"? As a self-proclaimed fan of it.
atm, erm... well the only one i can think of off the top of my head that really holds true to proper emo and affiliated subgenres (i know you hate that word) are Hot Cross.
i'll look into it though... Embrace are still around for instance arent they?
EDIT: the only other one i can think of is The Get Up Kids, but they broke up recently... tbh, the word emo is being thrown around soo much these days its hard to keep track, 90% of stuff labeled as emo now i avoid like the plague unless advised otherwise (which is rarely)
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