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The Balance of the Force
What does that exactly mean? Does it mean that the Dark side should be equal to the Light side of the Force?
If not, how does killing all the Sith bring balance to the Force?
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Sep 28th, 2000 02:47 AM |
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That is actually one of the most intelligent questions I have ever seen posted here or anywhere else.
Balance does inply equel, by wiping out the dark side they do create a new inequality in ROTJ.
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Sep 28th, 2000 03:09 AM |
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Dim
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The only thing I can think it that the force doesn't need to stay balanced...I haven't a clue though.
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Sep 28th, 2000 03:42 AM |
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The Jedi are seeking balance, but what is their definition of balance???
Last Post before my holiday - MAYBE 
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Sep 28th, 2000 05:30 AM |
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WOW! this really is a great post! not bad for your fist one nim nom...
at first I thought it meant to give the jedi absolute power and control ....but now I have not a clue what their idea of balance could mean....
it' almost as if they know they have to thin the head or something...
on the other hand, at the end of ROTJ.......how can they be balanced if there are no Sith at all??...or when they thought the sith did not exist in TPM, why would they want to mess with it at all??...it's only a prophecy or urban legend referece mentioned by mace....
hmmmm....I think we have a large post topic folks....
nice work nim nom!!!! (I say we make nim a jedi)
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Sep 28th, 2000 09:18 AM |
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Dim
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Re: the balance of the force
Are we sure that it's not just a point in time thing?...
OH...or maybe it's because there's is good and evil in every man...Both Luke and Vader had reached that balance and Palpatine who was totally evil was dead so there was no imbalance there.....okay, that's my theory
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Sep 28th, 2000 11:56 AM |
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Re: the balance of the force
i've argued before that the force was out of balance because of the sith. don't think of the force in terms of yin and yang. there doesn't have to be an equal amount of bad to balance the good. i like to think of it in terms of balance meaning all good. any amount of bad will unbalance the force.
of course, if you follow this train of thought, other questions arise. did anakin bring balance to the force? well maybe because it was him that killed the emperor. it just took him half a decade or more to fulfill that destiny.
but i still think that the son of the sun, the one to bring balance to the force, the prophecy child, is luke. because anakin burns like the sun inside (greg bear, rogue planet), and luke is his son, and luke is the #1 major factor in bringing balance to the force (according to my definition above). i don't think vader would have had enough strength on his own to kill palpatine without his son there.
of course there are a lot of "if's" in this. this is just the way i look at it.
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Sep 28th, 2000 06:18 PM |
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Re: the balance of the force
Or do you think Anakin brought balance to the force by joining the Dark side? and not destroying the Dark side.
But then why would QuiGon tell ObiWan to train the boy, as he will bring balance to the force.
On another note, why would they wanted to bring balance to the force, when they didn't know a sith existed?
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Sep 28th, 2000 09:14 PM |
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Xantos Clone
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nim, that's what I was saying too...
I have made comments about Luke being the real prophecy and the real chosen one...."the son of the sun" idea...
it gives meaning to qui gon saying "he will BRING balance...." almost like saying "I don't know how....but he will give way to something big"
his offspring of course...
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Sep 29th, 2000 10:06 AM |
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Dim
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Re: the balance of the force
Actuall it's the Son of Suns...I think it's refering to the twin suns of Tatooine..And Vader was the one who brought balance because he's the one who killed Palpatine...IMHO.
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Sep 29th, 2000 11:21 PM |
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Qui-Gon was only one generation off when he told Obi-Wan that "the boy will bring balance to the force". It is obviously Luke and not Anakin that brought balance in that Luke brought Vader back from the dark side and then Vader chucked the Emporer off lovers leap. In episodes 4-6 there was obviously an imbalance as the Empire was running amok around the universe like Godzilla causing a good deal of general unpleasantness. The imbalance that Qui-Gon spoke of in TPM seemed to be only felt by him. I don't recall Obi-Wan or anybody on the Jedi council pissing and moaning about the bad guys having more points on the scoreboard. I agree that the balance isn't a *** for tat thing (kill one jedi, kill one sith, kill one jedi, kill one sith). It can probably interpreted in many ways, but lets face it, true believers, George (what he says goes) Lucas is the only one who knows for sure.
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Watch that language new person.
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Oct 1st, 2000 06:48 AM |
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He didn't swear. Welcome anyway.
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Oct 1st, 2000 08:27 PM |
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I agree with Gundark on this one. I also believe that Luke, not Anakin the "choosen one." I think that EP3 could end with Yoda and Ben talking about Luke and saying that he, not his father, is the one who will bring balance. Luke always has been my favorite character so I may be a little bias. But none the less I think we will find out that the Son of Vader is the ULTIMATE Jedi Knight.
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Oct 2nd, 2000 07:51 AM |
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Yes!...it would also explain why the emperor in ESB says"we have a new enemy...Luke Skywalker"
"He could destroy us".."the son of skywalker must not become a jedi"
after wiping out almost all of the jedi...how could just one "boy" destroy the entire empire?...I think the emperor and vader believe that Luke could very well be the actual chosen one...
"he would make a powerfull asset"
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Oct 2nd, 2000 10:05 AM |
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KJ
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Re: the balance of the force
I think the Emperor just meant that Luke could destroy them because Vader had feelings towards him. Remember the Emperor asked Vader is his feelings were clear on this matter.
Gundark, if you are one of the people I E-mailed could you please E-mail me back so I don't keep bothering you asking you to come here. JM3838 could you do the same please.
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Oct 3rd, 2000 02:46 AM |
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Re: the balance of the force
I agree with KJ.
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Oct 4th, 2000 05:11 PM |
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Re: the balance of the force
George Lucas once said somewhere that the balance is just when things are right or wrong with the Force I think. So the Sith and the Dark Side unbalance, whereas when there is no Dark Side, only Light Side, there is balance.
I think that's it.
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Oct 8th, 2000 05:08 AM |
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theEvilJedi
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Re: the balance of the force
But there were no Sith to there acknowledge in Epi.I.
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Oct 8th, 2000 05:39 AM |
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Xizor
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Re: the balance of the force
I agree that to have balance all the bad has to be destroyed. Lucas himself reiterated recently that Vader is the chosen one. He brings balance by killing the Emperor.
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