oK, daywalker. My first laguaje isnt english , because of that my english isnt very good, but ill tray to explain better. What i said is you are everything but no a batman fan or a spider man fan. Because saying that bruce is only a mask for batman is just ridiculous and lame. In 65 years of batman story, Bruce Wayne has been always a key part in the story, and the real guy is Bruce Wayne, not batman. The mask is batman. The guy birth and grown and become older as bruce wayne, he is the real person , bruce wayne, batman is only a secret identity to punish the criminals. Is Bruce acting like a airhead playboy in the parties? surely, but batman is the reflextion of the real bruce wayne. Batman is the mask, but wayne is the person. What you see on batman, is what bruce is in reality. If you claim to be a real batman fan, you should know that. But saying your stuff and liking keaton as bruce wayne and the burton movies doesnt say too much of you as a batman fan. I didnt like Keaton, Kilmer or Clooney as batman or bruce wayne. Keaton was only an small guy trying to be batman, the oppositte to batman or bruce wayne, a terrible fighter and a total joke as bruce wayne. His only merit was his voice change in the two characters. Kilmer isnt an roman god, but he looked more as batman than keaton, althought i think that his performance was too weak as the two characters. Clooney was only playing himself . But please, what Keaton's charisma is you talking about? have you seen the same movies than me? because in those movies directed by tim burton, batman was only a supporting character to the villains. Nicholson erased keaton in all his scenes with him, as well Michelle Pfeiffer( what i think that was the best thing in the batman movies) in batman returns. There werent any development in the batman or in the bruce wayne character, absolutely nothing, because all the things were about the joker, the penguin and catwoman. Even Max Srheck was more developed than batman or Wayne. And keaton acting was only a bad copy of Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent in the superman movies. And that is charisma? please, you must be joking.
And about the man spider movies, any true spider man fan could see what a betrayal to the characters that Stan Lee created are. But the man spider fans will keep kissing the ass of sony because there are a guy with a spider man costume on screen. So sad.
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Last edited by bakerboy on Jul 12th, 2004 at 08:15 PM
At times I have agreed with you, bakerboy and Mr Parker, you have put forward some great opinions and ideas, but please don't insult people anymore OK?
There's room for debate without arrogance and looking down your noses at people. Calling people "not true Batman/Spider-Man fans" is really unfair.
its not unfair at all,its the truth and thats hardly an insult Even stan lee himself said he hated the idea of organics being in the movie.according to that logic Im suppose to be insulted when someone tells me I am not a true steelers football fan just because i did not support them when kordell stewart was their quarterback.yeah right,thats just their opinion,thats hardly an insult.same here,telling someone they are not a true spiderman or batman fan for accepting those atrocities is hardly an insult,its the truth IMO.
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Last edited by Mr Parker on Jul 12th, 2004 at 08:26 PM
Yes, it's the truth, in your opinion. Opinions can be very dangerous. You can make some friends by debating opinions. You can make enemies by forcing people to accept them.
Look at religion. Never has such a great opinion caused so many wars. Everyone believes there is truth to their opinions, that's why they defend them in such a die-hard manner. If people, educated, smart and independant people can form opinions different to your own, then are they not worth listening to?
All I'm asking is, be a bit more tolerant.
Or we could destroy, risking the lives of countless civilians again again and again until we're both dead, is that what you want?
*realises he just used a quote from Mr Parkers most hated movie and runs for cover*
Last edited by Red Superfly on Jul 12th, 2004 at 08:38 PM
Sorry about the jab I gave you on reading your post but I was really having trouble with it. I apologize for that.
But if you look here, it says: During the day, Bruce Wayne is CEO of Wayne Enterprises and maintains the public image of a millionaire playboy. In fact, Bruce goes to great lengths convincing others that the self-centered socialite is his true self.. Bruce Wayne is the disguise, Batman is the true personality
This is just something I found real quick from the Worlds Finest website (An excellent site) http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/batman/bios/heroes/batman/ But if you need more proof, i do have an official DC bio of Batman in a magazine that i'd be more than happy to scan and post Bruce gave birth to Batman and Batman is the dominant personality. Bruce is a hollow shell, a disguise. Batman hates how he has to act as Bruce(grin and bare it) but as the Bat, he is free to respond to injustice how he really wants to.
Do the research next time before you resort to name calling.
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