You tend to do that a lot don't you? "Realizing" rather than rationalizing.
Completely unrelated. Besides, it's based on your assumption.
Do you have any proof of this? And once again, how does it differ from the lesser New Gods creating universes?
Whether it's 11, 12 or 13 doesn't matter. Because given time, Franklin Richards could create the same amount of universes. It's not like the amount is infinite like you imply.
Besides, it's not like we know how much struggle was put into the creation of the hyper-dimensions, which in fact is 11 dimensions (universes) as stated.
But the question remains, what have they done that has put them over Cube Beings? The answer is simple--nothing.
A poor excuse for substituting the requirement of evidence.
How it is this related to their creation?
And that puts her in the same tier as the New Gods and Franklin Richards.
They created universes on panel. Besides the source you provided said nothing more than that Washu was capable of generating universes, the means weren't identified.
It was confirmed in the original video animation. The hyper dimension consists of 11 dimensions (universes), confirmed by the Chousin.
Which says nothing, at all.
You're referring to episode 19, not 20.
They created a few universes, given time so could Franklin Richards.
Again, don't act as if it in any way is infinite, because it isn't. 11 dimensions reside within the hyper-dimensions which is their original creation.
Cube Beings on the other hand.
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"Exceeding into infinite dimensions..."
When?
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Ooh, I see where I thought I had seen it. Around 7:15 in 19 they refer to the chousin as "infinitely extending beings," and later in part 3 of the ep they talked about them existing for "beyond infinity infinities of time" and running infinite experiments, I had made the leap that they were making infinite universes as experiments, though they said they didn't need to physically do it.
There doesn't seem to be anything that refers to the number of universes directly, when referring to dimensions they do seem to be talking in the "this one universe has three, length width and height, we have more including those three, etc." characteristics of universe sense. Both Tenchi's and Z's universe were 3rd dimensional, for example, as was Duel (another of the same multi-verse) and the one from the new series by the creators. So we know it's not just one universe per numbered dimension at the least.
We may just have insufficient information on the number of universes they've actually made.
That's right, they specifically said that it was calculations they made, an infinite amount of calculations over an infinite amount of time.
This is wrong. Firstly according to Einstein's general theory of relativity (or Quantumfield theory, as it's the current standard model) space-time is one and the same, our universe is (at least) four dimensional. So the main third dimension, can't be only consist of three dimensions.
And there is no point in speculating, since we can't prove any of it.
There are a number of problems with this.
First off, we don't know whether it's in another universe, or simply another galaxy which is similar.
Secondly, just because it's created by the same authors doesn't mean it's canonically connected to the other series. Marvel publishes the Transformers comics, but Transformers aren't a part of the Marvel universe. Or more generally, "What-if..." stories are published by Marvel (the same editors and writers) yet aren't canon.
Once again, speculation can't be used as a substitute for evidence.
So you're taking a statement from Rom the Spaceknight (or whoever that is) with no proof? How do you know that's not hyperbole? Z said the Chousein can do anything, I guess that's true too then.
Also that was mortal Washu who just had those universes as a science project. Implying they are pretty common.
Also travel between two universes is a major plot point in Dual!. In fact that's the meaning of the title - Dual universes. It was stated by Kajishima in an interview that Dual takes place in the same continuity as Tenchi Muyo!
The 11 dimensions of the hyperdimension are what you could call the "core" universes. Just like 616 is the key universe and the lynchpin of Marvel, the 11 dimensions are that for the Tenchiverse. It doesn't mean there aren't others.
Because we saw the New Gods shaping bright spheres of light. What was given was nothing short of exposition.
I think you've misunderstood the application of refuting panel evidence as hyperbole severely. It's not a free card to avoid debating. If you actually think it's hyperbole then you'd have to provide us with your basis for that reasoning.
Except it's not the same situation as you seemingly tend to imply. Because there's proof in the very same episode contradicting that statement.
How does it imply that they're common? No exposition other than that she--through unknown means--had created universes.
As in Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki? I'd like to see that interview.
Even if that it's true, nothing suggests that there's an infinite amount of universes spanning forth from those 11 universes. Even granting you all the possible arguments you hold, you'll end up with 2 extra universes from Duel and the universes that Washu stored in the bottle--since the amount, while unspecified but denoted in plural we can only make a low-estimation of that 2 universes was stored, not that an extra dozen would matter.
But the low estimation would put the total in 15 universes.
Three space, one time. So perhaps they simply refer to the number of spacial dimensions it has and leave time unmentioned- they do refer to it as a third dimensional universe.
We *do* know that the higher dimensions are something that Tenchi cannot yet withstand perceiving, as is specifically mentioned in the episode.
The Tenchi GXP novels have some of the Duel characters mentioned in it.
The latest anime from the creators, Saint Knight's Tale, has a Masaki relative summoned from the main universe to another universe.
So it's confirm on-screen as well as behind the scenes chatter. Not everything by the creators is related (El Hazard likely isn't, for example), but we have multiple universes confirmed.
I wasn't talking about the New Gods. Besides, pocket universes can be that small (the size of a baseball or something).
Okay, fine then: Cube Beings have never shown the ability of multiversal creation/destruction. Closest I can remember is Molecule Man vs. Beyonder (Post - Retcon) where they cause effects across the multiverse, but they weren't actually creating and destroying universes.
Same thing for your scan of Rom. Obviously he's not the only being in the cosmos that could stop them. And we've already seen fights between beings of that level in Marvel that didn't do the kind of damage he's implying.
And she was a mortal being at that time, given scientific equipment (she was only an applicant to the science academy either, not accepted yet).
I can't find it currently but it is referenced in several articles on Tenchi and GXP.
I never said there were.
It would because they can be created so easily and casually. In GXP a scientist said that Fuku has as much energy as "a small universe", imply familiarity with the existence of such things. Apparently scientists in Tenchiverse can create universes for shits and giggles. This is without using cosmic powers.
Also you're ignoring how each universe in the hyperdimension is much more complex and expansive than the last.
Only because we are unable to perceive them. If I am correct, current physics suggests that there are several extra spacial dimensions but they are on the subatomic level and far too small for us to detect.
Funny since the "What If" stories in Marvel are actually alternate universes in the same multiverse.
InSM directly references events and characters in TM!
Well, the pocket universes in Washu's bottle were smaller still.
That's what exposition is for.
Once again, exposition.
Which has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Concession accepted.
Then what's your point? As a child, Franklin Richards created a number of universes--with planets and sentient life even--and he's far beneath the level of Cube Beings.
You use this argument without being able to prove that GXP in fact is canonically connected to Ryo-Ohki. Ironic.
Nothing is said about their size. As for the complexity, when you're able to prove just how much more complex they are, I'll return to that.
No, current physics doesn't exceed Quantum Field Theory which alone can only be correctly described mathematically. While there have been a number of attempts to visualize the standard model (or beyond) it has never been on a scientific basis. What you speak of is a variation of how to visualize String Theory--an incomplete theory with a number of gaps--which, once again, isn't derived mathematically.
You've yet to prove that any of the spin-off series are anything other than the reuse of a number of characters.
They have character cross-over with characters specifically said to be from the main one and unlike Universe and Tokyo were made by the main creator (which is the reason they're not related).
In-universe cross over and word of maker.
It is however evidence that the beings who interact with Tenchi were not from the higher dimensional worlds and thus the 'dimensions 1-11' we've seen do not correspond to the number of universes, which is the point of bringing it up.
Not really speculation, just debunking the 'there's 11 universes' thing you brought up.
There doesn't seem to be anything to say how many universes there are.
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