Which fool sed Tupac was overrated, most of ur artist today are inspired by tupac thats why they the rappers they are today, Eminem, 50 cent, Jay Z most rappers they all have respect for him. And ur sayin Tupac can't diss, well let me tell you something all rappers have set a style they want to keep its not that they can't do the other style its by choice I bet you if Tupac wanted to diss and shit wit all metaphors, punchlines and multies he could do that. You need to study his songz man heres a list:-
Against all odds he disses mobb deep,dr dre, puffy and nas line after line
"This little nigga named Nas
Think he live like me
Talk about how he left the hospital
Took five like me
You living fanatasies nigga
I reject your deposit
We shook dre punk ass
Now we out of the closet
Mobb Deep wonder why nigga blowed them out
Next time grown folks talkin'
Nigga close your mouth"
"Puffy, lets be honest
You a punk
or you would see me with gloves
Remember that shit you said in vibe
About me being a Thug
You can tell the people you roll With
Whatever you want
But, You and I know
Whats going on"
"Yo Nas, your whole damn style is bitten.
(You sound like Rakim, man)
You heard my melody,
Read about my life in the papers.
All my run ins with authorities(Trick!),
felonious capers (Punk!)
Now you want to live my life.
So what's the hustle, Nas.
Niggas that don't rhyme right"
My point is do ur homework b4 u start makin up shit wit no proof listen to the track in fact its called "against all odds" u can listen to "when we ride on are enemies" and "hit em up 1,2 and 3"!
And back to u sayin Pac overraTed well look how many tracks he made, how many lives hes touched, he an actor, poet and one of the greatest rap artists he took 5, i fink he the only rapper that made a track for his moma, n he repped blacks but that dont matter cuz all races luv him n e way, he was a thug n for sum one to go from that to all the listed above that deserves props thats well earned so next time u wana talk shit bout him bein overrated do ya hoemwork boyyy!!! iight
Chino XL: This is the album that dissed everyone including Whitney Houston, Eddie Murphy and of course Tupac. In keeping up with his tradition, Tupac retaliated: "..Chino XL, f**k you too. All you mother f**kers, f**k you too!" - Hitemup. It is believed that Chino XL's comments was only there to create publicity and make him a well known rapstar, but this scheme was obvious, so Tupac didn't mention his name too many times as this would only create a name for Chino XL
Well, you're right about 50, Eminem, and Jay-Z all respecting Tupac. But you're forgetting one little detail--all these rappers suck.
Oh my GOD!!! He dissed FOUR rappers in one song! Holy shit this must be some kind of record! Seriously though, those were really weak disses. I can do pretty much the same thing, see?
Nas, you suck
50, you suck
Mobb Deep, you suck
Jay-Z, you suck
Eminem, you suck
Puffy, you suck
LL, you suck
Dre, you suck
Andre, you suck
Pharrel, you suck
Fat Joe, you suck
See that? That's the greatest diss ever, dude! I just dissed eleven rappers in a single verse. I'm a ****ing genius!
We've all listened to Tupac. We all know why everybody thinks he's so great. And we all disagree with these people. One of the reasons we think he's overrated is because, despite touching many people's lives, these people were all young, poor, and black. Not that there's anything wrong with reaching out to that demographic, it's just that a truly great artist has the ability to really touch more people. I think a lot of white people only like him because they think he's cool, honestly... They don't understand what he's talking about. You can't really understand it unless you've lived his life, which most people haven't. Plus that diss in your last post from Hitemup is really weak.
2pac is one of the most overrated rappers ever. Everybody at my school acts like he's some sort of god and we could all learn a thing or two from 2pac. But I think that a lot of his work sucked and had no moral message at all. Most of his rhymes were about nothing but sex, gangs, and dissing the east coast. His earlier work was good though. But still, if he hadn't been shot we wouldn't even be discussing 2pac right now.
I agree, man. I just don't get it. It's like the kat slows down the beat and automatically he's saying something important...No.. He had a couple of good tracks, but overall the production of his music sounded like doo-doo. Yeah, so he wrote hundreds of songs. So what. I liked 3 of them.
It depends what type of person you are, if you like rap songz that make you think 'bout it and change your mind about something well then you gona like a rapper like Tupac and you didn't read what I was tryin to say clearly. I was sayin' that you don't get many Thugz or Gangstaz that get the respect Tupac gets because Tupac had 1 ov the worse livin conditions and he made it and I admit after the shootin his style changed but that doesn't mean you whack or whatever because he was a very popular rapper round that tyme he had the press, media, copz on his case because he was a thug u talkin bout chino XL, nas they weren't thugz it wasn't as hard as it was for Pac to be a rapper. I'm a young rapper and shitz eazzy for me becuz I ain't wit all drugz, thugz and crime thats why i can take time to write and work real hard but i bet ya if I'ld been shot or betrayed whateva, it would be very hard to rap in a complex, come out wit (the punchlines, wordplay). And you sayin a great artist has an ability to touch more thats true and tupac's lyrics touched many children, women, mothers, thugs, gangstas, blacks, all races it don't really matter. What other artist has had as much power as Tupac has?, A rapper that has that much power is far more powerful than a rapper can spit some cool ryhmes like the rappers yal named. And ya need to get underground shit on eminem he myte be whack now but he use to spit some cool lines. And you also said that people don't understand what Pac was sayin' ye obviosly, but you ain't gota be him to understand anyone goin through simialr situations will relate to a track of his, NOT ALL cuz they not all aimed at young, blacks and poor like you said. iyt HOlla bak ooo I got sum more Afro cheese you sed "Most of his rhymes were about nothing but sex, gangs, and dissing the east coast." He didn't diss the East Coast He was born in New York Y would he diss the East Coast for? And what gangs did Pac talk bout, I know he repped his group outlawz, and most artist u get talk bout sex all the time but briefly but tupac got str8 to the point wit it. U may not liek it but you can't take a piece outa sum1z life and say this is them rate artists overall not just listen to 1 track n say he wack iyt.
BLACK JEZUZ-OUTLAWZ
[2Pac]
To this click I'm dedicated, criminal orientated
An Outlaw initiated, blazed and faded
Made for terror, major league niggaz pray together
Bitches in they grave while my real niggaz play together
We die clutchin glasses, filled with liquor bomblastic
Creamated, last wishes nigga smoke my ashes
High sigh why die wishin, hopin for possibilities
I'll mob on, why they copy me sloppily
Cops patrol projects, hatin the people livin in them
I was born an inmate, waitin to escape the prison
Went to church but don't understand it, they underhanded
God gave me these commandments, the world is scandalous
Blast til they holy high; baptize they evil minds
Wise, no longer blinded, watch me shine trick
Which one of y'all wanna feel the degrees?
Bitches freeze facin Black Jesus
"I never said I was the best lyricist but i'm definetly the Realist"- Tupac said sumn like that in an interview
And yal who feel yu can't relate I'm sure tracks like Changes, Letter to my unborn child, dear mama, brendas gota baby, only god can judge me well you get what im sayn
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ThaKiD, sorry if I didn't make it clear when i said he was dissing the east coast, I was referring to rappers from the east coast. I kinda assumed you'd catch on to that, my bad for the misunderstanding. As for the other points you touched on, how he was a respected thug and nas and them aren't thugs, that doesn't really matter to me. Maybe it did make obstacles for Pac, but it doesn't make his work any better. A talented artist is a talented artist, the life they lead is their own business. Also, he didn't reach people of all kinds, he mostly reached out to young black people, then he died, then everyone jumped on the "lets love tupac" train.
By the way, I actually agree with you with the Eminem statement. Everybody dismisses him now because of the bullshit he keeps putting out but if you look at Infinite and Slim Shady LP, they both have some great tracks. Bad meets evil, 313, infinite, as the world turns, it's ok, ect.
Kinda off topic but i just wanted to let you know I think your right about that.
Tupac didn't talk about anything that hadn't been done before him. He merely took little pieces of other artists and styles and combined them. Other rappers talk about living on the street, other rappers talk about being a thug, other rappers talk about doing drugs, other rappers talk about their romantic relationships, other rappers talk about religion... And quite a few of them do a better job of it. Plus other people have recovered from poverty, drug addictions, and the like, and gone on to become successful musicians. Jon Davis for example (not a rapper), had arguably an even harder life and today he fronts one of the better-known metal bands... Immortal Technique lived in complete poverty most of his life, and that man is a genius. Again, it's nothing that only he can do, and nothing that other people haven't done.
I agree rappers talk bout poverty, thugs, drugs, religion etc. but not round the time of Tupac they all do it now. The people that talk bout it now obviosly got it from past rappers Pac, Big, Snoop, Dre. Most of Tupac songs were based on the things that went on round him that he didn't like for example brendaz gota baby bout a young girl dat gets pregnant and later gets shot. What rapper round the time of Pac talked bout a real situation like that in their raps you don't get rappers makin songs for females "keep ya head up", "baby don't cry", "white mans world". Pac is original he didn't bite styles off people, if you look at it most rappers today all sound similar but some how Pac is significant from them and so what if Pac's lyrics only touched young black people that don't matter atleats hes touching something he wanted to help his community thats a gd thing, what other rapper has touched people liek Pac did, you acn't say he ONLY touched a certain group instead say he touched a group of people, cuz i dont see many rappers touching people these days. And I'm sure wit the track "dear mama" not only young blacks were touched but instead drug addicts, mothers, sons/daughters were touched by that song. U got 50 cent, J-kwon, Nelly and llyod banks...U can't put Pac in teh same category as them or n e other rapper because he was differentn thats why I believe a rapper liek Eminem will be remembered for his individuality his styles a lot different to other rappers and i prefer an original good artist to a good immitation of an artist. And Afro cheese the life you lead effects the work you produce he didn't have time to chill in his house remember when he got shot in that hotel and was put in prison charged wit rape its hard to make somthing of yourself when your surrounded by so much negativity, the harder ya life is the better your work could be but can't at teh same time, u could take all teh negativity in your life and put it into work and produce positive outcomes I think thats what Tupac had tried to do, his intentions were never to be the illest ryhmer, thats why I have respect for him because he tried to help people because he didn't like the way he had lived, rappers like Nas, Big, Jay Z etc. all of these rappers flow to show their skill not so much Nas now cuz hes drifted to a more Tupac style wit tracks like "If I ruled The world" and eminem wit "Cleanin out my closet" which is sorta liek "Dear mama".
Last edited by Tha KiD on Oct 21st, 2004 at 04:32 PM
So I f**ked your bi**h
You fat mutha-f**ka {Take Money}
West Side
Bad Boy Killers {Take Money}
You know who the realist is
ni**as we bring it to {Take Money}
[ha ha, that's alright]
First off, f**k your bi**h
And the click you claim
West side when we ride
Come equipped with game
You claim to be a playa
But, I f**ked your wife
We bust on Bad Boys
ni**as f**k for Life
Plus Puffy tryin' to see me weak
Hearts I rip
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia
Some mark a*s bi**hes
We keep on coming
While we running for yah jewels
Steady gunning
Keep on busting at them fools
You know the rules
Little Ceasar go ask you homie
How i'll leave yah
Cut your young a*s up
See yah in pieces
Now be deceased
Little Kim,
Don't f**k with real a*s G's
Quick to snatch your ugly a*s, off the streets
So f**k peace
I'll let them ni**as know
It's on for Life
Don't let the west side
Ride the night [ha ha]
Bad Boys murdered on Wax and kill
f**k with me
And get your caps peeled
You know, See
Chorus
Grab your glocks when you see 2pac
Call the cops when you see 2pac, Uhh
Who shot me,
But, your punks didn't finish
Now, you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
ni**a, I hit 'em up
Check this out
You mutha-f**kas know what time it is
I don't know why I'm even on this track
Y'all ni**as ain't even on my level
I'm going to let my little homies
Ride on yah
bi**h made a*s Bad Boys bi**hes
{ahh yo, yo, hold the f**k up}
Get out the way yo
Get out the way yo
Biggie Smalls just got dropped
Little move pa*s the mac
And let me hit 'em in his back
Frank White needs to get spanked right
For setting up traps
Little accident murderers
And I ain't never heard of yah
Poise less gats attack when I'm serving yah
Spank the shank
Your whole style when I gank
Guard your rank
Cause I'm a slam your a*s in a pang
Puffy weaker than a f**kin' block
I'm running through ni**a
And I'm smoking Junior Mafia
In front of yah ni**a
With the ready power
Tucked in my Guess
Under my Eddie Bower
Your clout petty sour
I push packages ever hour
I hit 'em up
Chorus
Grab your glocks when you see 2pac
Call the cops when you see 2pac, Uhh
Who shot me,
But, your punks didn't finish
Now, you 'bout to feel the wrath of a menace
ni**a, We hit 'em up
Peep how we do it
Keep it real
Its penitentiary steel
This ain't no freestyle battle
All you ni**as getting killed
With your mouths open
Tryin' to come up off of me
You and the clouds hoping
Smoking dope
It's like a Shermine
ni**as think they learned to fly
But they burn mutha-f**ka you deserve to die
Talking about you Getting Money
But its funny to me
All you ni**as living bummy
While you f**king with me?
I'm a self made Millionaire
Thug livin', out of prison
Pistols in the Air {Air} [Ha Ha]
Biggie remember when I use to let you sleep on the couch
And beg the bi**h to let you sleep in the house
Now its all about versace
You copied my style
Five shots couldn't drop me
I took it and smiled
Now I'm back to set the record straight
With my A-K
I'm still the thug that you love to hate
Mutha-f**ka I'll Hit 'Em Up
I'm from N W New Jers.
Where plenty of murder occurs
No points to come
We bring drama to all you herds
Now go check the scenerio
Little Ceas'
I'll bring you fake G's to yah knees
Copin' pleas with these
Little Kim is yah
Coked up or doped up
Get your little Junior Whopper click smoked up
What the f**k?
Is you stupid?
I take money,
crash and mash through Brooklyn
With my click looting, shooting, and polluting your block
With fifteen shot,
Cocked glock to your knot
Outlaw Mafia click moving up another notch
And your Pop stars popped and get dropped and mopped
And all your fake a*s east coast props
Brainstormed and locked
You'se a B-writer
Pac style taker
I'll tell you to face, you ain't nothing s**t but a faker
So fill the Alazhay with a chaser
'bout to get murdered for the paper
E.d.i I mean post the scene of the caper
Like a loc, with little Ceas' in a choke [uhh]
Toting smoke, we ain't no mutha-f**kin' joke
Thug Life, ni**as better be known
Be approaching
In the wide open, gun smoking
No need for hoping
It's a battle lost
I gottem crossed as soon as the funk is bopping off
ni**a, I hit 'em up
Now you tell me who won
I see them, they run [ha ha]
They don't wanna see us
Whole Junior Mafia click
Dressing up to be us
How the f**k they gonna be the Mob?
When we always on out job
We millionaire's
Killing ain't fair
But somebody got to do it
Oh yah Mobb Deep [uhh]
You wanna f**k with us
You Little young a*s mutha-f**kas
Don't one of you ni**as got sickle-cell or something
You f**king with me, ni**a ?
You f**k around and catch a seizure or a heart-attack
You better back the f**k up
Before you get smacked the f**k up
This is how we do it on our side
Any of you ni**as from New York that want to bring it,
Bring it.
But we ain't singing,
We bringing drama
f**k you and your mother f**king mama.
We gonna kill all you mother f**kers.
Now when I came out, I told you it was just about biggie.
Then everybody had to open their mouth with a mother f**kin opinion
Well this is how we gon' do this:
f**k Mobb Deep,
f**k Biggie,
f**k Bad Boy as a staff, record label, and as a mother f**kin crew.
And if you want to be down with Bad Boy,
Then f**k you too.
Chino XL, f**k you too.
All you mother f**kers,
f**k you too.
(take money, take money)
All of y'all mother f**kers,
f**k you, die slow mother f**ker.
My fo' fo' (.44 magnum) make sure all yo' kids don't grow.
You mother f**kers can't be us or see us.
We mother f**kin' Thug Life riders.
West Side till' we die.
Out here in California, ni**a
We warned ya'
We'll bomb on you mother f**kers.
We do our job.
You think you the mob, ni**a, we the mother f**kin' mob
Ain't nuttin' but killers
And the real ni**as, all you mother f**kers feel us.
Our s**t goes triple and four quadruple
You ni**as laugh cuz our staff got guns under they mother f**kin' belts
You know how it is and we drop records they felt
You ni**as can't feel it
We the realist
f**k 'em.
We Bad Boy killas.
__________________ I Got A Blue Flag Hanging Out My Back Side Only Out The Left Side Yeah Thats The Crypt Side.
Well THAKiD, I'll admit that Pac was a very influential rapper, I would've never argued against that point. But being influential and being overrated often go hand in hand. Yes, his work did reach a lot of people, but is it really good enough to be held up on the level that it is? I mean I guess its a matter of opinion. You look at his lyrics and see genius, I don't. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
iight, But I think that don't he deserve all the props he gets. I think thats why he gets them because people feel that he helped them a lot, a lot of rappers work to get money, Pac wanted money no doubt everyone doez but he cared bout the young, his community the last person he cared bout was himself even though he lived a life of struggle he still made Music for us, can n e 1 like that be overated. I can't thank him enough cuz not many thugz care about the world especially the young "seedz" he had love for kids wit no fathers/mothers
Did you just completely ignore my last post? Apparently so. Anyways, here are some other rappers/groups who have reached out to help society, with their music or otherwise. Just a few.
KRS-One
Public Enemy
Zack de la Rocha
Immortal Technique
Chuck D
The Roots
Like, I said, these are just a few examples, I know there are many more, but I'm too lazy to type them all out right now... You act as if Tupac is the only one to have done what he did up to that point, and since, which is absolutely not true. Most gangster rappers haven't, that's true, but most gangster rappers aren't very good at all.
iight maybe them rappers did rap bout there society, poverty etc but didn't have as much as great impact as Pac did...o well thats the way it is. I heard an interview and Tupac said he never called his music gangsta rap but it was labelled that and we know gangsta rap is hardcore rap and if you talk bout real things through gangsta rap its more powerful than hip hop. And I keep usin this example "brendaz gota baby" but we know pac was athug hes been therre so we know he ain't lyin when he talkz bou his hood life but you can't trust other artist to be bein real cuz they myte just talk bout it, but actually have never lived ther or be willin to do something.
TROUBLESOME "96- tUPAC
Menacing methods
Label me a lethal weapon
Making niggas die
Witnessing breathless imperfections
Can you picture my specific plan?
To be the man
In this wicked land
Underhanded hits are planned
These scams are plotted
Over grams of rocks
And undercover agents die by the random shots
We all die in the end so revenge we swore
I was all about my ends
**** friends and foes
Me a born leader never leave the block without my heater
Got me a dog and named him mobb-***** nigga eater
??What could they do to me you little brat??
Shit them niggas done shot me
And still terrified I get (HaHaHa) they ass
How can I show you how I feel inside?
We Outlawz mother****ers can't kill my pride
Niggaz talk alot of shit but thats after I'm gone
Cuz they fear me in the physical form
Let it be known I'm troublesome
The fact that he had a big impact doesn't make his message any more relevant. Britney Spears has a big impact.
Tupac may have denied that he was gangsta rap but every other verse he spit, he was yell'n thug life. Anyone who claims "thug life" , imo, is gang affiliated.
Tupac's stage persona was the dark side of Malcolm X's "By any means necessary". I understand that the brutha had it rough and was frustrated with the system that damns him. Does that give him or anyone license to further an "I just don't give a f*ck" gangsta mind-frame. Now you got little bruthas running around the hood yell'n thug life because they think that's what it's about. Malcolm X was about lifting black people from the bottom rung, where we have been placed. By force if necessary. I believe Tupac's warped version of this hurt black people more than anything.
Gangsta rap is a part of hip-hop. Hip-hop includes everything that's happening to the people...Good or bad. It's up to the people to point it in the right direction.
Public Enemy's music was revolutionary minded. Tupac's music is a death drum.
__________________
Oh Sweat!
Last edited by D-Double on Oct 22nd, 2004 at 09:32 AM
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Oct 19th, 2004 04:21 PM
I bet Nas laughed his ass of when he heard that. Mobb Deep too.
Seriously though, those were really weak disses. I can do pretty much the same thing, see?
