Scratch ? Like it or not, but Wolverine has done much more than only "scratch" Hulk.
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Cap is the better fighter but Cyke has way more firepower. Cyke is capable of punching holes through mountains (at least from what I understand) so I would think he could also punch a hole through the ground where caps is standing. Can cap really walk through that blast anyway? I understand he can deflect it or repel it but I wonder if he can really walk through it. If cap throws his shield and misses, he is done.
me too i gotta go wit CA
also cyclops only has dat plasma blast dats it
all i know is CA's shield we be a big advantage for him plus he's a much better fighter than cyclops
cyclop better take his goggle off in thas fight b/c if he plans to fight CA man to man he's gonna get his ass wipe bad and the battle will be finish sooner than expected
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Cyclops isn't so stupid to aim for Caps shield and you should see some of the trick shots he has pulled off. He could just aim his optic blast at the ground in front of Cap which I would imagine would make a crater of some sort that Captain America would fall into.
Well, I don't agree with it Cyclops has gotten the better of Wolverine in hand to hand before. He has also taken down the x-men on his own in one issue of Uncanny X-men.
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Actually, yes. One of the materials that makes up Cap's shield is Vibranium, which absorbs forceful impacts. The stronger the force, the better it performs. In Avengers #502, Cap took a full-force blast from a Kree battleship's main assault cannon, and only fell back on his butt a couple of feet. He wasn't even fazed. He has absorbed impacts from Hulk and Thor and kept standing. Cyclops would not be a problem.
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Cyclops is a little *****! Caps is a strong muscular so called "American Hero!!!" As a matter of fact Cyclops would blast, Caps would block with his shield then do a sumersault and whip the shield into Cyclops. The fight would last ten seconds. And it would turn into a team battle.
Cap is famous for his trick shots with his shield. It might be a decent fight, but no way is Cyke walking away with a victory in this one. Cap puts him down in the end.
Cap wins.
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You are wrong on so many levels here. Cap is THE tactician in the Marvel Universe, and THE best hand-to-hand fighter (check Marvel.com). Cyclops ain't even close in either department. And NOTHING can destroy Cap's shield, except for MAYBE a ground-zero, thermo-nuclear detonation, which MIGHT seperate the Adamantium/Vibranium molecular bond. And in the Marvel Universe, even THIS is speculation. Cyke has NOTHING that can even scratch the paint on that shield.
Cap wins.
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1. Cyke handles those beams of his at least as well as Captain America handles his shield, but the difference is his optic beams are sooo much more powerful and devastating than Caps' shield.
2. Cyclops is, in my opinion as good a leader and tactician as Captain America. Captain America is of course the better fighter, but Scott won't be so stupid to make this fight a fistfight : he just hits what he wants (head, arms, legs, whatever) because he has little chance of missing. Captain America can not predict Cyplops' aim, and will be hit sooner or later.
3. No way a writer will decide that it's time for Cyclops to kick Captain America's ass, he's much too popular, so Cyclops will always lose in a comic fight. In this forum, he wins. Come on, give him a break. .
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1) Cyclops is good with his eye-beams, but unfortunately Cap is just as good or better with his shield. And unfortunately for Cyclops, those eye-beams are pretty much it. Once Cap gets his mitts on him (and you know he will), Cyke is O.U.T. for the count. And Cap doesn't have to know where the eye-beams are going to hit. His reaction time allows for him to react after the beam is fired. Read a few Cap comics and you will easily see this is true. His reflexes are far superior to Cyke's.
2) Obviously you know absolutely NOTHING about Captain America. Cap is THE best strategist and tactician in the Marvel Universe. Ask yourself: why is Cap always chosen to lead whenever there is a gathering of heroes? Whether it be the Avengers, or a combination of other heroes, or a meeting of the whole Marvel roster, or a crossover such as JLA vs the Avengers or Marvel vs DC. Cap is always UNANIMOUSLY chosen to lead because of his ability to analyze a combat situation and formulate a plan of attack and defense within moments. He is THE BEST.
3) Of course the writers will decide Cap wins. The writers decide every single thing that happens to any character. These are stories based on fictitious characters. But the point is, Cap has been written as a stronger character in the context of this forum's discussion, i.e. his abilities vs Cyclops' abilities. Therefore...
Cap wins.
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of course he's the better tactician/strategist......captain america (he has the word captain in his name for a reason) has been in everything, he's basically mastered strategy and tactics through so much experience, cyke undoubtly has great experience but not better than cap imo
i like cyke but i think he's out-classed against cap, sure cyke has an advantage in range, but one concussive blast isnt gonna get cap down and thats IF it hits cap anywhere on his body
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Captain America is a master with his shield (and a much better fighter). True. But Cyclops is also a master with his eye beams. He’s able to shoot his blasts with incredible accuracy, and isn’t afraid of using trigonometric calculations for reaching difficult spots.
And how long does it take Scott to look and fire ? Half a second at most. Not as long as it takes Captain America to aim and throw his shield, a shield that is slow when we compare it to Scotts’ eye beams. At full power Cyclops can pulverize a heavy tank, or level a hill. Is Captain America a tank ? I didn’t think so.
And yes, I know of course CA is not going to wait for Cyclops’ attack, and I know he will probably dodge the beams, or hide behind his shield (duh) and prepare himself for a fast and cunning attack (duh). I never said Cyclops is going to win. I’m just not counting him out yet, because if Captain America gets hit only once, it’s game over. Captain America can not survive a full blast, end of story.
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That's the point. Cap knows he can't take the hit directly, just like he knows he can't beat him in a range fight. Cap is the supreme strategist on a battlefield. He's going to close in fast and take Cyke out. And once Cap gets close... Game Over.
Cap wins.
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