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Originally posted by King Castle
we have and the argument is faulty.. its one of those unless i see it done it cant be proven BS..

wolverine has cut metals superior to colossus that is easily inferred i can turn around and say colossus can ko him b/v i never seen it done.

Actually the argument is: "This is not normal Wolverine and thus cannot be used as evidence in a forum fight where normal Wolverine is used".

I am arguing admissibility of the feat and NOT who would win in a fight or whether or not one can cut the other.

Dec 22nd, 2010 02:54 AM

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Originally posted by Starscream M
personally, I think Logan can make marks on colossus...but not really get any deep cuts.

also, i do think it would be very difficult for colossus to KO logan.

i never seen colossus ko wolverine.. so prove he can do it. show me a scan of it happening.

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Originally posted by King Castle
i never seen colossus ko wolverine.. so prove he can do it. show me a scan of it happening.

BFR works quite well.

That is, unless you wanna use the possession scan as some sort of evidence that Wolverine can fly in and return from BFR. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Dec 22nd, 2010 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually the argument is: "This is not normal Wolverine and thus cannot be used as evidence in a forum fight where normal Wolverine is used".

we have a history of wolverine cutting things above colossus Osmium metal skin... and history of wolverine scratching colossus with the dull side of his claws and Colossus admitting he can be cut and seriously injured by logan...

they are tryin to hide this and ignore already established history prior to the possessed wolverine.

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Originally posted by King Castle
we have and the argument is faulty.. its one of those unless i see it done it cant be proven BS..

wolverine has cut metals superior to colossus that is easily inferred i can turn around and say colossus can ko him b/v i never seen it done.

The burden of proof doesn't fall upon those defending.

That said Wolverine has had opportunities in the past to cut Colossus and not only is this the first full on cut (read possession) he bled red, not right.

Osmium isn't normal.

You prove he can cut it.

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
BFR works quite well.

That is, unless you wanna use the possession scan as some sort of evidence that Wolverine can fly in and return from BFR.

prove the colossus can BFR logan far enough where he cant return under his own power... without using the demon scan.

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i never seen colossus ko wolverine.. so prove he can do it. show me a scan of it happening.

WWH KOed logan with multiple punches in rapid succession. Colossus can also do so.

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WWH >>>>> Colossus

But if given the opportunity where Logan couldn't move/defend, yea, he could.

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Originally posted by Starscream M
WWH KOed logan with multiple punches in rapid succession. Colossus can also do so.

no he cant. show me colossus doing so..

WWH was by far above colossus weight class.

what Hulk does isnt viable for what colossus can do.

show me a scan of colossus ko'ing logan..

this is your logic and friends so i am flipping it around.

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Originally posted by King Castle
we have a history of wolverine cutting things above colossus Osmium metal skin... and history of wolverine scratching colossus with the dull side of his claws and Colossus admitting he can be cut and seriously injured by logan...

they are tryin to hide this and ignore already established history prior to the possessed wolverine.

Like I said, use other evidence.

Howver, scouring (small cuts) =/= deep lethal cuts.

Fear of getting cut is NOT an indication of Wolverine being able to cut Colossus. Especially since the very scan you're using (where Wolverine struck Colossus with his claws) actually seems to imply that current Colossus didn't fear the claws so much (due to his facial reaction to it and body language-arms on his waist like he's not worried at all)...

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Originally posted by King Castle
no he cant. show me colossus doing so..

WWH was by far above colossus weight class.

what Hulk does isnt viable for what colossus can do.

show me a scan of colossus ko'ing logan..

this is your logic and friends so i am flipping it around.

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i have never seen such a blatant use of double standard in my life...

MOD can go ahead and lock this now... b4 i lose it with these posters.

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prove the colossus can BFR logan far enough where he cant return under his own power... without using the demon scan.

Why can't I use the demon scan? Colossus wasn't the one amped here?

Dec 22nd, 2010 03:06 AM

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Why can't I use the demon scan? Colossus wasn't the one amped here?

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Why can't I use the demon scan? Colossus wasn't the one amped here?

b/c Wolverine fighting skills abilities arent being used.. that is not a competent wolverine nor wolverine period.

Shiva adamantium resistant logan fails to cut through it 1st attempt,..
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5861/shiva7we4.jpg
finally get pissed off and tries again this time stabs.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6124/shiva10ij2.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/699/shiva11ld4.jpg

there are others where metals are describe to be equal or similar to adamantium where logan manages to stab clean through or cut after initial failure..

the Professor Hulk during the future imperfect was also adamantium resistan enough to survive from having his head bitten off or punctured by a hyrolic adamantium jaw with teeth and yet this version of professor Hulk had continued to get stabbed and cut in his trhowdowns with wolverine in his comic series.

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Dec 22nd, 2010 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by King Castle
i have never seen such a blatant use of double standard in my life...

MOD can go ahead and lock this now... b4 i lose it with these posters.

Actually, the weakness of your argument is that you're using obviously tainted evidence (w/c weakens your argument more than it helps).

And then try and reinforce the feat's validity by using nonequivalent showings ("scouring") and ambiguous comments ("fear of getting cut by Wolverine").

Basically using tainted and circumstantial evidence to back your claims.

In a court case, you'd actually lose pretty badly.

Dec 22nd, 2010 03:11 AM

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b/c Wolverine fighting skills abilities arent being used.. that is not a competent wolverine nor wolverine period.

You saying Wolverine is too good/fast to be hit/grabbed by Colossus?

Dec 22nd, 2010 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You saying Wolverine is too good/fast to be hit/grabbed by Colossus?

i'm saying Wolverine would never allow himself to be battlefield remove and colossus has never bn able to do it when they have fought when logan isnt possessed.

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