I'd have to say my favorites are 10,000 days and Right in Two, though not easily, they are all so amazing. and I got my mom into Tool! hehe
And I tried that Viginti Tres and Mantra thing out once, didn't seem to work, though I might of got the timing wrong
__________________ I'm breathing so I guess I'm still alive, even if signs seem to tell me otherwise
What’s there to “get”? From what I gather, it’s about some guy who took too much acid or DMT or whatever and he’s explaining to the doctor the details of his crazy-ass trip. Musically, it just doesn’t do anything for me. I don’t like listening to it.
I must admit, though, that after I read the lyrics to the songs and read them along with the music it helped me to really get into the album. At first, it really was not what I expected it to be, but as I began to accept it for what it is I liked it much more. Like I said before, tracks 1-5 are excellent. Vicarious and Jambi are two of the strongest tracks on the album, kicking things off on the heavier side. The Wings for Marie/10,000 Days really REALLY slows down the pace, but I really was moved by the lyrics, and while this song is obviously very personal to Maynard I am still able to thoroughly enjoy it. Truly epic song, one of my favorites.
The Pot sounded kind-of silly to me on the first listen, but it has certainly grown on me. The lyrics are kinda weird but musically it’s a solid track.
Then things start to go a little downhill for 10,000 Day (in my opinion). Let me just ask: What the hell is with Lipan Conjoring? Pointless, as I see it. I really have no desire to hear Native Americans chanting, I’d rather hear Tool.
Then comes Lost Keys and Rosetta Stoned, which as I said before I really didn’t care for. I guess it’s all a matter of opinion, but it just doesn’t interest me enough. I think Tool “sh*t the bed” on this one, but that’s just me.
Then comes Intention, which is an alright track but I don’t find myself listening to it that often.
Right In Two is a very good song, and probably one of my favorites as of now. I thought it was pretty good the first couple times I heard it but now I’ve gained a better appreciation for it.
Viginti Tres is just filler as far as I’m concerned. Don’t really listen to it.
I know some will say you have to listen to this album the whole way through and let each part of it tell it’s story as being a part of a larger whole, but I really have a hard time doing that with this album because it seems so much less cohesive as, say, Lateralus or AEnima (if you wanna play that game). It certainly has it’s strong points, and is a pretty solid album despite it’s weaknesses, but I don’t see it becoming one of my favorites among Tool’s other albums. I know it’s different from all the others and it’s not really fair to compare, but what it comes down to for me is what I enjoy listeing to the most, and I enjoy the other albums more than this one...at least for the moment. I’ll give this album more time and maybe in time it’ll become at least on par with the other albums in my mind. Like I said before, reading the lyrics with the music really helped for me to get into it, but overall I can’t help but feel a little disappointed with this album. I think my biggest complaint would be how Maynard’s voice seems to get drowned out by the instruments, hence why I though Maynard’s vocals felt a bit restrained. I don’t know if Tool had the same team produce this album as they did for previous albums, but I think the vocals were lacking on this record, in the respect that they often get drowned out in the music.
Overall, very good album, but not my favorite. To each his own, I suppose.
Like I said, you either get it or you don't. You don't.
How do you mean weird? As in, you don't understand them?
Tool did the song. This is what I mean about "getting" it. You don't get it, nor do you know what it's about or what it's purpose is, so you call it filler and pointless. It has a very clear point and a meaning. You not getting it doesn't erase from that. Sheer ignorance. "I don't get it, so there must be no point."
I think Tool aren't the band for you, as a whole. Judging by the way you speak of the music. No offense, but it sounds like you need music with a clear point and/or you're someone who needs lyrical guidance.
Again, ignorance. It's not meant to be skipped.
As above. It has a clear point to those who know what it's about. As correctly pointed out, some Tool fans think too much. Some, in your case, don't/can't think enough.
Entitled to your opinion, but don't go claiming songs as filler because you don't get them.
Then that's your problem. If you're not gonna give it a chance to grow as an album, then why are you whining that it's not cohesive? You skip tracks, and moan that it doesn't run together? Talk about stupidity.
You are the one making it incohesive. It's been out not even a month, and you're expecting to be into it already.
Adam Jones stated that they purposefully mixed Maynard's voice to blend with the instruments, and it works perfectly in my opinion. I think he sounds better than ever at some points on 10,000 Days.
You are, again, entitled to your opinion, but don't go skipping tracks that are meant to be listened to and then moaning that it's not cohesive. That's your fault, not Tool's.
Saying I simply don’t “get it” seems like a cop-out. I’ve heard many a Tool fan say that some people just don’t get” Tool. Sometimes I wonder if they even know what they “get” that other people don’t, besides that they all share the same love for Tool regardless of what kind of music they put out. They will find good in it somehow, some sort of meaning, because it’s TOOL (!)
Maybe. Perhaps I just don’t understand why Maynard uses lyrics like “You must have been out your head”, "Foot in mouth and head up ass, / so whatchu talking 'bout?". Just sounds silly. Maybe that was the point, and maybe Maynard is poking fun at the people who are “waving their fatty little fingers”. Honestly, I have no idea who these “kangaroos” are, but I’d really love to hear your take on it, AC. I really would.
You’re right about one thing: I don’t know what it’s about nor do I know what it’s purpose is. My question to you is, do YOU know what it means? I’m sure Tool had a reason to put it there, otherwise it wouldn’t be there. I’m wondering if you’ve attached a sort of personal reason for it being there, besides that it sounds cool, or you just know that Tool had a reason to put it there but you’re not quite sure exactly what the reason is, OR if you really know exactly what it means, as you claim to. You say the meaning’s very clear, but I beg to differ. Ask a majority of people what they think it means and I guarantee most will have no idea. Maybe they just don’t “get it” either, or maybe you’re just that much smarter than them, or maybe you “get it” too much. But, I digress.
Tool had a reason to put it there, and that fact alone might be sufficient evidence for you to believe that it means something, and that what it means exactly is not of great importance. For me personally, I’d like to understand the meaning rather than be satisfied that it means something to someone else and therefore it is permissible. Sure I can have interpretation, and also use some logic; it sounds neat, and the Lipan tribe are maybe conjuring up some sort of (evil) spirit or magic that is somehow related to the trip in Lost Keys/Rosetta Stoned. That would be my best guess, but why they chose to have Lipan tribe conjure up these spirits and how exactly these spirits are related to the character in Lost Key/Rosetta Stoned is not so clear to me. I’m not going to waste a great amount of time trying to figure it out, either. I know part of the fun with Tool is trying to find out what things mean and putting together the pieces, but this is where you get into “thinking too much” as you put it. Tool’s music is supposed to make you think, but you’re also supposed to enjoy it. The basic meaning I attached to it seems enough for me. Either way, I don’t think the track it terribly significant and could be omitted, but again it’s there for a reason, despite whether some thing the reason is good or not. Then again, I guess 10,000 Days wouldn’t be complete unless all the parts were there. Which brings us back to “Tool had a reason to put it on the album, therefore it’s permissible and has significant meaning”. It’s only a little more than a minute long, though, and it kind-of sets up a down-to-earth spiritual mood for the songs to come, so whatever. Maybe it’s not so bad.
I’m listening to Rosetta Stoned right now, and I suppose it’s not so bad. Maybe I was trying to hard to find some sort of specific meaning to it that I forgot to actually enjoy it. I think part of me almost didn’t want to like it…for whatever reason. Giving it a chance, though, I actually think I’m starting to like it. Will need more time to explore further...
I actually wouldn’t say that the music I listen to “needs” to have a clear point, and I do believe lyrical guidance is somewhat significant but not exactly essential, but I guess I mainly just forgot that listening to Tool pretty much requires your undivided attention and repeated listens to fully appreciate it. I think that my initial reaction to the album was that it was so much different than what I expected, and I had (and evidently still have) trouble getting past that it’s not what I wanted it to be but it is, in fact, what it is. The moral of the story, I suppose, is that I should learn to enjoy it, and I am.
Despite what your arrogant, belittling assumptions might lead you to believe, I am capable of deep contemplation and complex thought processes. While I may have some lack some focus I can certainly appreciate the music I’m listening to, or at least I am capable of learning to appreciate it.
Again, you say it has a “clear point”, but now to those who “know what it’s about”. You make it sound like you’re in some secret club with selective membership. Again, the common listener I guarantee has no idea what it means just by listening to it. It requires research, as a lot of Tool songs tend to require. I guess I just haven’t gotten that far yet, or at least hadn’t really wanted to until now.
You’re right that this song is more than just filler since it serves some sort of meaning to the album as a whole. I guess what it comes down to a matter of necessity/significance, but one who accepts the album for what it is doesn’t need any sort of explanation, and enjoys it for what it is and is curious about the meaning, and therefore seeks an answer. I’ll look into that, as well.
It’s weird. I don’t know why, but it almost seems like I was looking for things wrong with the album (not very effectively), and this let me to make stupid remarks to criticize the album, which probably ties in with me not wanting to totally like the album, strangely perhaps because it was not what I expected/anticipated.
As I said before, I must have forgotten that Tool requires your full attention and repeated listens to fully appreciate.
Right, right. I guess in responding to your post you kind-of pried open my “Third-eye” in regard to this album. While Red Hot Chili Peppers are good, they are not on the same level as Tool. I guess I was just looking for instant satisfaction with this album, and when I didn’t get it I got pissed. Pissed at the album, then, but now I guess I’m more pissed at myself for not giving it all a chance before I went and started openly bashing it. I’m not sure if I “get it” yet (which probably means I don’t ), but I’ve definitely learned to appreciate this album for exactly what it is and will enjoy putting together the pieces and enjoying this album as I did with previous Tool albums.
Why? It's not hard to understand. I seriously do not believe Tool are the band for you, you just seem clueless to them. Furthermore, he's not speaking about kangaroos. He says kangaroo court, which is an old saying, and it'll make more sense if you know what it means. Shows how much attention you pay, doesn't it? Though to be fair, I don't even bother with the lyrics until ages after. If you're concentrating on one man in Tool, and his words, you're not concentrating on the four men making the music.
There's nothing to disagree. It's a lipan-apache burial/resurrection chant that Danny Carey did with/for his friend in a dedication to "someone". That's the point. Ergo, not point-less.
Most have no idea because most don't pay attention. Like you.
You're not using logic, at all. You're assuming the meaning of these songs and then running with it. Fact is, YOU don't know what the songs mean to the band, neither do I. Nobody does, unless it's said openly (EG: Lipan Conjuring), and that's what Maynard wants. The point I'm making is, just because you don't understand, don't call their music or songs pointless. Admit you don't get it rather than claiming.
If you come into Tool expecting to get exact, factual meanings to their songs, you've got the wrong band. One thing you shouldn't be doing is deciding what the songs mean and then saying others don't make sense, just because they don't fit in to your theory. Makes perfect sense to me so far.
Again, this is why I don't believe Tool are a band for someone like you, and I don't mean to offend there.
You obviously expected something of Tool, and worse, expected it to be easy to "get". That's not Tool. GO listen to RHCP if you want that.
You expected what a Tool album would sound like? That's one thing you clearly don't do, and again another point proven.
Yeah, real respectful to skip songs and call them filler just because you don't think they have a meaning
That's exactly how it is though. The common Tool listener thinks they know, because it makes them feel smart. Rather than accepting that even the hardest fans of the band don't know what the songs factually mean, and just enjoy getting their own meaning out.
No problem, at least you had the spine to admit where you went wrong. I can respect that.
Question: AC....did you go to a tool concert (or are you going to) on their most recent small venue "tour"?
if you did, i want to know what they played at yours, because our show was stacked with amazing songs. I was just wondering. I guess I heard somewhere or by some mystical creature that you were going to a Tool concert.
No, I was there and I saw it happen. Just like Victor said: you, ice cream, man who fancied you, rabbit costume, slow dance at the end.
Pretty sweet, actually.
__________________ Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
I remember a certain Alpha Centauri whispering in a soft, soft voice: "If this is a dream, I hope I never wake up..."
Perhaps, using your artistic talents, you could render a retelling of the encounter?
Please.
__________________ Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
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May 17th, 2006 05:15 PM
I can certainly appreciate the music I’m listening to, or at least I am capable of learning to appreciate it.
), but I’ve definitely learned to appreciate this album for exactly what it is and will enjoy putting together the pieces and enjoying this album as I did with previous Tool albums.
