Good point Swank. It's kind of silly to throw certain characters into examples, like, "if this guy could beat Hulk or Colossus, then they can beat Juggernaut," or, "if Doomsday can beat Superman, then Hulk surely can," that's not always the case. Certain characters are only similar to a certain degree. Hulk and Juggernaut are damn close in strength, that's a fact, whether you want to admit it or not. THat's their only similarity. Other than that, their powers are far different from each other, as can be said with most character with similar skills. People have to think about those things before they say anything about one character being able to beat another because some other character was able to.
And class 100 Thing can give Juggernaut a good fight, but because of Juggernaut's powers, there's really not much of a way for Thing to beat him. Sure he's the better fighter and strategist, but unless he can somehow take him out of the fight, he loses.
Thing didnt knock him out....he just kept beating his ass until Hulk didnt bother to get up anymore....I dont think its that impressive for Jugs to have knocked out Hulk during that period. Madman knocked him out with one punch 2 issues later...does that mean Madman would kick Jugs ass?...maybe
yeah, I totally agree with him. people are always using stenght classes as an excuse for someone to win or lose, but ther are so many ways that someone could win, so that sh*t shouldn't even count
Not only did he get his ass kicked by Nimrod, the writters had to reconned it to save his rep. And it was a stupid recon as that, how can you forget to put up your major defense? It's what makes him "unstoppable." Or if this is coming from him, he's lying to save face as Nimrod clearly beat his ass in their fight. "I forgot to put up my force field" thaz all, "I could've beaten him, it's just that I ah...forgot."
Dear Tron,
Nimrod was brought into this conversation because some people here seem to think Thing can't win because Juggernaut is "Unstoppable" - which he didn't. Nimrod stopped the "Unstoppable Force," so has the Hulk. I don't see why your fuse and Swank's is about. READ THE POST.
Last edited by Beyonder on Oct 21st, 2004 at 12:05 AM
I don't want to repeat myself from the Thing Vs Colossus thread, but here goes.
I would go with Juggernaut here. Thing is stronger than before, no he's not 85 anymore, he most be more in the vicinity of 100 - 105, but Juggernaut still has an edge in strenght and endurance. Thing is the better fighter though, but in the end Juggy would most likely win.
As for Hulk VS Juggs, their aren't even in the same class, Hulk is in another league. He has no limits to his strength, he can't die, he can't die, he can recover from ANY wound almost instantly. I don't remember the details, but i remember the images, when Hulk was hit by some kind of cosmic ray which was comparable in strength to ebing throw in the center of the sun, which would kill ANY (including Superman) earth bread super heroe. He was incinerated, leaving drifting in space a overgrown skeleton with a thin layer of crusty meat...
Hulk started regenerating, took him a few minutes to be back to his normal self, and pissed beyond reason.
Same thing happened in "The End" which takes place on earth in a not so distant future.Banner is the last living being on earth, which was wipped out by some nuclear explosion and radition if i remember correctly. He can't die even though he wishes it.He even tries to kill himself on some occasions but the Hulk comes out everytime cos HE doesn't want to die...Weird thing to read, good though, check it out.
In a relaxed state, meaning right after Banner morphed, Hulk is considered to be in the lower 100's, so at that stage Thing,Abobination,Juggernaut and even Colossus can take him on, for a time. But eventually...well, Juggy will be stoped, Blob will be moved, steel will be bent and granite will be grinded into cat litter...
When has Thing beat the Hulk everytime i ahve seen them fight, its a good fight for a lil while but then Hulk just over powers thing and its pretty much over.
emraldguardian, I like how you posted frames of when Thing was getting the beating, instead of the entire fight. Shows how much of an expert and good debate you are.
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