to the contrary I've actually agreed with him a number of times... just rarely about Wolverine.
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there is a limit to how effective it is which is why he can be taxed out in fights in order to get ko'ed, weaken, slowed down so he can be beaten or captured. i never argued this i have actually stated it more than once, i agree that Logan can fight for hours, days and go without sleep for extended periods b/c we have seen it.. but, it has never been done without adverse effects.
dont put words in my mouth that i have never said for your argument.
i have actually pointed out that it's absurd that he can regenerate and walk from nukes, lava and nitro incinerations.
just b/c i dont agree with your assumption that Logan wasnt pushing himself nor his healing factor in that story arc and was at tip top shape doesnt mean i cant argue for Logan and his healing factor in other stories.
do you honestly believe that logan's tendon crushing wasnt a low end feat for logan and that it was average showing when compared to his other healing feats that are abandoned and are his average?
Your utter disbelief in the feat in and of itself doesn't justify projecting some half-starved, sleep deprived, weakened Wolverine into the fight for it to make sense to you.
It definitely is not justified when you literally see him patiently waiting and resting in Brooklyn RIGHT BEFORE he arranges to travel to Vietnam to encounter Nuke, and then Cap.
What happened? He get jet-lag? Motion sickness? His healing factor doesn't cope well with that? Cap traveled there too. Guess him without his healing factor must have meant he was severely weakened too. Clean wash then.
For all the flack Daniel Way gets, his Wolverine can be impressive too...
In his fight with Deadpool, for example, he was taking damage comparable or better to his fights with Gorgon or Mr. X, and looked better against Wade for it than he did against those two... And Wade needed some traps, while they, (and even Elektra, who had him paralyzed with pressure point strikes), simply outfought Wolverine..
Nope, in fact he never beaten Wolverine in a straight up fight. However he been on the losing end twice against Wolverine
context. He had just gotten off life support and she ambushed him when he was covered by shield guards.
ugg, you really need to start reading the comics you bring up because your constantly wrong and ignoring context.
Gorgon was asuperhuman monster. Dude beat elektra ass into the ground while unarmed and toying with her. Captain America is not remotely comparable.
Mr.X fought Wolverine after Wolverine had foughten his personal army. Then fought his elite warriors who were meta and his body guard who had vast superhuman strength and was in fact being controlled by Ogun at the time. All of this prior to engaging Mister X.
Elektra did not out fight wolverine to gain paralzing him, she ambushed him from behind while he was pinned down by Shield guards.
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Who's trolling or making inaccurate statements? All I claimed, was Wolverine was beaten down in comics not written by Daniel Way, and you come in and point out how Wolverine was worn down or injured before hand.
Never mind the fact he didn't fight Mr. X immediately after his fights, and had enough time to heal and get a change of clothes. It wasn't a very long time, certainly.. But if his healing factor is the be all, end all you Wolverine fanboys like to pretend it is, he should have been at 100% prime fighting condition. If he was at much less than 100%, than Cap can certainly wear him down over the course of a fight, given he doesn't tire and can dish out punishment just as well as Mr. X or his thugs...
The same deal with his fight against Elektra or Gorgon (Who's certainly super human, but not too far outside the ballpark of characters Wolverines fought in the past like Daredevil.. He's certainly no Iron Fist, who's above Gorgon in stats and feats..). Yes, Wolverine just got up from a hospital bed after a long time healing.. Certainly longer than he'd get healing up injuries against Cap (Or Hulk or Thor, if you buy into Wolverine winning a h2h slugfest against them..)
The bottom line, I've gotten you to outright admit Wolverine's healing factor has limits, even against sub class 100's, and that he CAN be worn down over the course of a fight. The only thing left now, is to negotiate where those limits are, and how long it will take Cap to reach them..
YOU ARE. You stated incorrect statements and you are trolling. No I quoted on what you claimed and described why you were wrong.
He pretty much did, he went right from his fight with Mister X army to go fight Mister X.
It takes Wolverine a minute to change his cloths. That is almost completely moot point. Heal? Do you understand his powers arnt infinite right? Are you dense? The more damage he takes the longer it takes to heal. His powers can be weaken and the took a hell of a beating by X army which included several meta humans one of which has vast superhuman strength and some of the best fighting skills on marvel earth (better then mister X in fact)
No one pretend that at all. And no ones ever said it runs on infinite. In fact Wolverine fans repeatedly tell ignorant individuals like yourself that it not infinite. It right in the friggin respect thread in the first group of scans. Your just making arguments up that I never made. And yes this is form of trolling what your doing.
He wasent, that what I stated several times. No capt can’t and no capt does not have unlimited stamina. He has superhuman stamina, but he can tire. I love how you assume capt won’t get hit which is down right hysterical.
Capt can’t even come remotely close to dealing the damage of Mister X and his ARMY. Let alone the fact it was an Army……..with a number of superhumans to boot………but one of them was blok (who was actually Ogun) who has vast superhuman abilities with mind of one of the greatest fighters to ever step foot on marvel earth. I sorry but you simply ignorant and need to read the comics you are discussing.
Wolverine was on LIFE SUPPORT literally seconds before the Elektra fight. And Elektra ambushed him from behind when he was pinned down by Shield Agents. CONTEXT PLEASE. Good lord I know you’re a troll but this is getting down right ridiculous.
Are you kidding me? This right here tell me you shouldn’t even be in this debate. Gorgon would maul Daredevil in forum match. It would not be remotely competitive. Do you understand that Elektra who arguably better then Daredevil couldent even touch Gorgon?
Oh get your IF wanking out of here. We get it you have a hard on for Iron Fist. And IF is not above gorgon in consistent feats. IF simply has more striking power. By the way Gorgon a high level telepath and was using it against Wolverine in there fight (which Wolverine won by the way)
He just literally got of LIFE SUPPORT. Read the dam comic before being it up. Because you just sound stupid. You do understand what your trying to argue is not the least be comparable to Wolverine just getting of LIFE SUPPORT.
I have never once said Wolverine healing factor runs on infinite. I don’t understand what you think you have accomplished. I have stated that Wolverine healing factor does not run on infinite numerous times. Capt can and won’t reach them. And all you manage to do this entire time is troll me. Congrats champ
Yeah, Captain America can't take on an army and street level martial artists. It's not like high end streets taking on Hydra or Hand Ninja, and the odd low end brick is normal comic book stuff.
And it's not like Cap can't deal out enough damage to take down bricks like Rhino, Mr. Hyde, the Wrecking Crew, or 15 tonner US Agent either.
But at the risk of getting this thread re-locked for trolling, I'll admit it's amusing seeing you trump up the odds Wolverine had stacked against him, as if they're well beyond Cap. I mean, considering a Wolverine fans usual MO is to post those scans from World War Hulk of Wolverine taking repeated blows to the head, or citing examples where he went against class 100 brick monsters.. Because, Mr. X and his army certainly can't compare to a brick like, say, Wonder Man or Clor.
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