first of all, last time i checked, with was like 3 min ago marvel did not operate in "levels" the uses classes, and those classes are 1-100, and wolverine is below class 1. each class means one ton, colossus for example is class 100, hulk is 100+, spiderman is class 10, wolverine is below class one, his max is about 700lbs, witch is the same as captain america
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For some reason that skeleton is suppose to put him up to 800. I don't know if that's lifting holding or what but I've never understood it myself. I have always estimated Wolvie to be at about 650 bench though. It should be one of the side effects of his healing factor. Torn muscle is repaired faster so he should be about as strong as he can be.
Pfff, who gives a hoot about their strength ? Cap is, like a said, a bit stronger than Wolverine, but not enough to make a difference.
But I think that Wolverine has a harder punch than Cap. I mean, with all that metal in his hand and the fact he really can stand pain, and has a healing factor, he doesn't have to hold back. He can hit a brick wall with (almost) all he's got and still whistle while he does that.
Cap can't, because he probably would break his hand.
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Actually he most assuredly could. Martial artist punch bricks all the time. Cap holding back? Not likely. Not against Wolverine. And Cap has survived many an onslaught the like of which Wolvie could never hope to behind that shield of his. I'm not saying Wolvie wouldn't make it interesting, just that in the end, intellegence (something that seems to be held with little reguard in these threads) takes it in the end for Cap.
to clarify the strength dispute, this is what ive found in my research: Cap and Wolvie are about the same strength. Cap is the strongest a human can possibly get. Wolvies adamantium adds approximatley 100 lbs to his total body weight. After this augmentation his body eventually got used to this and his strength was pushed to the maximum as well. The deciding factors are as follows: Cap-superior tactical knowledge, Wolvie-claws and healing factor. I think these guys know each other well enough that this fight would go either way.
Eurhm no, I wasn't talking about some (fake) bricks strategically placed on a thin piece of wood, I clearly said : a brick wall. The best martial artist ever breaks his hand when he punches a brick wall with all he's got. Same for Captain America.
NOT the same for Wolverine. That's why I think Wolverine punches even harder than Captain America.
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Yes adamantium counts for something. It just seemed like who kid was making it seem like Cap doesn't know how to punch. Cap can punch what ever the heck he likes and will likely not injure his hand, it's called form. I am speaking from personal experience as some one who has both hit something while trained and untrained.
Fake bricks! I spit on that!
And I don't think anyone said that Wolvie didn't have tactical knowledge, It's just rather dwarfed by Caps.
hey didnt i already clarify things enough, fer starters, they have almost exactly the same strength level, and if u dont believe that then ur ignorant{im talkin about wolverine with his adamantium skeleton}. shure cap has survived many onslaughts by powerful foes but so has wolvie, hes beaten hulk fer heaveans sake, not to mention demons, vampires and ofcourse mutants. also, cap might have beat many stronger opponents, but we are looking at their fighting skill and advantages, not their fame and luck in comic books{i mean the fanatastic four have beaten galactus many times but does that mean that they are stronger than him?} we are purely looking at fighting expirience, physical perfection and advantages one has over the other, so if u really look at those things and not think that, oh wolvie beat hulk or cap beat thor, then ull come to realize that LOGICALLY, it should go to wolvie, not referring to the possibility of any one being lucky. i mean it is quiete possible that the first punch that cap throws towards wolvie hits wolvie in a very weak pressure spot{u know, namor who had class90 strength was beaten unconcious by a near perfect humanoid[dont remember his name] who had great knowledge of pressure spots, but had only human strength!], fer all of wolvies adamantium and berserker strength, hed still be a goner, but whats the chance of that happenin, not to mention that it can happen the other way too. so just look at statistics . and statistically, wolvie wins
hey an wolvie's tactical knowledge isnt DWARFED by cap, they have fought alongside each other an if the comic book art tells u one thing, its this, fer every man that went down at the hands of the honourable cap, another got his guts torn out of himself by the feral wolverine.
any way, wolverine is around 150 years old, and he has had extensive training in more martial arts then cap. also he has trained as a samurai and if i remember correctly, his senses and dicipline was so great that he has sparred using real katanas{sword} with multiple opponents, BLINFOLDED!
also the only real training cap has other than his real life battle expirience is the crash course of military tactics and hand to hand combat that was given to him just after he was given the super soldier serum.
It's called bollocks. Again, when Captain America punches a brick wall with all he's got, he breaks his hand. Don't see what's there so hard to understand. And if I remember correctly, even Sabretooth broke his hand while punching Wolverine on his head.
If you spit, they'll probably break also.
Hm, maybe, but that's not going to help Captain America in a fistfight against Wolverine. Captain is a great leader, much better than Wolverine, but that's not going to save him. It depends on the writer, Cap can win and Wolverine can win.
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alpha centauria, y do hate cap? how can u hate cap? hes such a great guy. even though i favour wolvie on this{who i also lilke a lot} i still dont think that any one can truly hate cap. hes just too good of a guy
Well, you can clarify as much as you want on any thread, it doesn't matter though because this is a discussion forum. And don't take this the wrong way, but even if you think you've made a good clarification, it don't mean jack shit, cause there's someone else that has a clafication of their own. Agreeing to disagree, one of the things you gotta deal with on these threads. If it was that easy to make people see something, then these things wouldn't be fun to discuss.
Anyways, it doesn't matter how many fighting styles someone has learned, what matters is just how good they are with the styles they have. This fight's still too close for me to call, can go either way in my opinion. Depends on who's having the better day I guess.
Of course he has, most characters in the Marvel universe have punched him. But a normal human, even Captain America, has a good chance of breaking some bones in his hand while hitting him real hard on his head.
I never said Wolverine definitely will win a fight between the two, because in my opinion, they're too equal. The tiny strength difference and tactical knowledge of Captain America is equaled by the durability, heightened senses and healing factor of Wolverine.
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