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The Beyonder (secret wars version) VS The Living Tribunal
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That Korvac story wasn't from a crossover.

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Marvel works in a funny way. If Korvac destroyed an entire universe it was ultimately because God let him. LT is God's will, and he can have as much power as God will allow him.


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You've turned the LT into the Spectre big grin

Anyway, why would the Living Tribunal try to stop Korvac if it was "God's" will for that universe to be destroyed?

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That's my point, It's funny. LT makes a judgement, God thinks he's wrong, he doesn't get the power necessary. I don't know why they made LT to be flawed, it wasn't always that way.

And by the way it is my stand that the Spectre use to hold LT's exact position.


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I thought LT knew everything Mercilous? So why didnt he know it wasnt his job to stop Korvac? I guess your right about the judgment stuff too i know all to well about how a god would like one of his universes distroyed.

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And i have not heard of any of the universes distroyed by the LT. Like i said before LT is not as powerful as you all make him out to be in my opinion, if thats the best he can do is make a star go nova well Thanos made a few starts go nova.

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It was his job to fail. And he did stop Korvac. And are you saying that you know what God's motives are? You better beleive he wanted that universe destroyed, since when do you know more than God? Even if it is God from a comic. And he's destroyed more than a few universes. He doesn't even need to try, he just "pushes the button." That is, he has a chant which does if for him.


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LT > The Brothers

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Are you serious MERCILOUS? LT isn't SPECTRE! Spectre's powers depends on GOD's wish. LT has all the power he needs and isn't infused more by TOAA. He's like Lucifer or Michael but serves GOD uncontestantly. He represents that power and serves as JUDGE, JURY, & EXECUTIONER of the multiverse. If GOD/TOAA was to make decisions, it beats the purpose of having someone like LT to maintain and represent him.

It's just your assumption Mecilous that GOD allowed Korvac to destroy the universe. Additionally, LT stopped him by celling him which is contradictory to what you CLAIM. You can't attribute everything to GOD's wishes. Marvel's TOAA almost never interfere's and that's the pupose of him and LT. TOAA is GOD but almost (taking in regards to The End when TOAA tricked Thanos) never interfere. LT is the only physical and active individual in the multiverse. Furthermore, in The End, Thanos acknowledged that it was all a plan by TOAA; IT'S NOT JUST an ASSUMPTION as you tried with the Korvac argument.

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And i have not heard of any of the universes distroyed by the LT. Like i said before LT is not as powerful as you all make him out to be in my opinion, if thats the best he can do is make a star go nova well Thanos made a few starts go nova.




Just because you haven't heard doesn't make it so. He has destroyed universes before, it has been stated as fact several times. Read up on the character and you shall find that very fact. You don't get to say 'LT is not as powerful as you all make him out to be in your opinion' because your opinion has already been contradicted by fact. He is THE top entity in the multiverse, as said by Thanos himself, who tried to go up against the top entities in the universe and beat nearly all of them. Except LT. In 'The End' where he gained the Heart, he still said LT was the top entity in the multiverse. Statements like these are not made for the hell of it. He cannot simply 'make a star go nova,' he can make 'universes go nova.'


Spectre was placed at LT's level in the DC/Marvel crossover, but LT is far above him in actual power level.

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Then why didnt he make the universe go nova....he let a universe die he is not as powerful as you make him to be, i mean top being in the marvel universe? Pfft the marvel universe has so many diffrent characters that are supposidly the top entity i dont think that the LT can be undisputad as the top entity this has been seen when he faced the Original Beyonder, Korvac at full power, Thanos with the Heart of the universe, and even when he didnt "will" Adam Warlock away only threatend him.

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He did. He destroyed a universe before. That has been stated as fact. There are not many top entities. Thanos with the Heart has the power of the One thus he is obviously above LT because LT is the representative power of One. In terms of entities who are depicted, LT is the most powerful, plain and simple. Thanos is not even close to his power level, it's the Heart of the Universe which is the power of the One that is above him. That's not an entity. And he didn't will Warlock away because he chose not to, not because he couldn't. He stripped the power of the IG, which nobody else could touch, including Eternity itself. Thus that should tell you he's above everything else.

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He has never distroyed a universe and when the Beyonder threatened a universe he didnt do anything to stop him nor did he stop Korvac from distroying a universe.

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I finally found entities greater then the living tribunal.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

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Its now proven there are other entities higher then the Living Tribunal and id say the Beyonder was one of them since he has never even shown his full power in his original state :P

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A: Yes he has destroyed universes. I'm not going to argue facts with you. He did it. Period.

B: Those characters were DC/Marvel creations for the crossover. They aren't Marvel, they're the Amalgam of both DC and Marvel and they aren't any more real than Lobo the Duck or Dark Claw. In Marvel, the Living Tribunal is the top entity.

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Sorry wrath a cross over or not they still are acknowledged and yes he has period is not proof of him distroying anything. LT is not the top anymore face it.

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DOESN'T ANYBODY READ MY F#CKEN POST & LOOK AT THE SCANS.

1] The Brothers were reconned to be below LT. And it was also a crossover so it doesn't weigh much in an argument. If it did, Wolverine can beat Lobo and cut through Thanos w/ HIS BONE CLAWS! Wrath, Mider, everybody, scroll back up to the scans and you'll see that it was reconned.

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A: Yes he has destroyed universes. I'm not going to argue facts with you. He did it. Period.
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That's not an entity. And he didn't will Warlock away because he chose not to, not because he couldn't. He stripped the power of the IG, which nobody else could touch, including Eternity itself. Thus that should tell you he's above everything else.


A: Stop B.S.ing everyting. Period? If you can't provide proof that he's done so, then back off! Don't just go by bios - I've argued this point already.

About Warlock, LT SAID their struggle for the Gauntlet would result in the destruction of the universe. LT appealed to Warlock instead of fighting; otherwise, he would've just snapped his fingers. He didn't choose anything - he couldn't remove it from Warlock with a bitter fighter. I written this over and over, yet you keep ignoring the facts. Warlock agreed not to fight 'cause it would result in the destruction of the universe, etc. Thus LT was able to put forth a judgement. LT can't do whatever the hell he wants: it's a fact.

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Its now proven there are other entities higher then the Living Tribunal and id say the Beyonder was one of them since he has never even shown his full power in his original state :P


dude other than TOAA there is none greater. i think youre gonna have to let that beyonder thing go man


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