I agree maybe not a good move bringing up the same shit again but really... please.
I use logic. I dont see god, I dont have conversations with god, I dont feel god's presence, I have no way of knowing that whether or not he exists... I spent years going to church, I tried listening for him... I tried calling to him during some pretty shitty times, nothing... I tried calling to him during some good times, still nothing. No guidance, no signs, no help, no nothing. Logically, there either is no god, or god just hates alot of people because alot of people ask for help and only get silence...
Christianity isn't founded on logic... its founded on faith. Faith may be enough for you, but not for me. Christianity isnt logical... if it were logical people would have no problem believe in your stories.
Having faith is fine, for you... just quit pretending though that Christianity is logical. It has tons of holes, inconsistencies, and unexplained areas within it which require faith to believe in. It has nothing to do with logic.
As I said before, lots of people believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny... just because lots of people believe in him or have faith in him doesnt mean he isnt imaginary...
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Have you ever read the verse in the bible about the mustard seed? It goes something along the lines of "if you had as much faith as a mustard seed, you could tell the mulberry bush to uproot itself and be replanted in the sea." thats not exactly how it goes, but that is the main jist of it.
people don't have that amout of faith, they infact was a very very small amout of faith. we can't move mulberry bushs because we doubt. there is still that amout of skeptacism in our heads that appears when we pray and tells us, 'hey, this might not work cause im not entirly sure there actually is a God, and what if He doesn't answer me?" could be why prayers sometimes arn't answered. i dont know. but God works in odd ways sometimes, and sometimes an unanswered prayer can be a blessing in disguise.
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And not let people figure it out by themselves? I don't know about you, but I hate when someone helps me, I like to do things by myself, so they can be mine, and mine alone.
And plus, God could have alot to do with helping people. He could have done alot for people to help discover what hey need, but you need to learn from your mistakes, or really, a subject in my opinion wont sink in, nor be as clear, if some one just gave you the answers and you didnt do anything.
Our brains are “hard-wired” to see patterns. Have you ever looked at clouds drifting by, or the stars on a clear night-sky?
You’ll see figures and constellations in NO time – you’ll see patterns.
Conspiracy theories and religions both try to make sense of EVERYTHING that happens on the planet. But there is no higher meaning to any of it… it’s chance.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
A lot of people don't get silence though. You cannot put yourself, or a couple thousand people forward and say this is what happens. You might be asking the wrong questions, trying on the wrong basis (faith). You have a logical mind. Did you try and find a logical solution? Read books on those inconsistencies, talk to people you know about it (the cynical part of me says that you'll have to turn, as intelligence trumps truth, if it tries hard enough). I myself tried for years without a result, but suddenly "ping" I got something. My logic hasn’t failed me yet, though all debtors would like to say I haven’t, and they have, I have fought and held a lot of ground.
Those holes... That's what we have these forums for. Questioning. We have fought on every issue, found logic in things you couldn't. I doubt you're going to turn, as a lifetime of belief isn't going to be swayed by us; your vantage point of logic is to far away for people like us. We’ll try though, mainly for fun.
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Ytaker agreed with me once on October 9th, 2004
Nov 4th, 2004 01:25 AM
