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Doctor-Alvis
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And Flash can probably infinte mass punch Goku since they'd both be moving at super speeds.


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And to Use Post crisis from the same forum..

(((Goku CANNOT beat Post-Crisis Superman:

In Superman Man of Steel #66, he once again acted as an effective shield, protecting cities around the world by blocking numerous "atom-smashing" force beams with his body. At one point he had 6 such beams trained on him simultaneously.

In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet- from Metropolis, he literally landed in China- without any injury or loss of consciousness

But forget about being punched across the planet to China, how about through the planet to China? In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, "imperfect" duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman's body) was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth?s crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman's body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).

In Man of Tomorrow #13, Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blast from Orion's Astro-Harness that blasted him across the planet from the North Pole to India.

Action Comics # 762: Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blow from the magical demon Etrigan. The blow actually knocked Superman from Earth's surface all the way to the moon (239,000 miles), a distance that is about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Superman was virtually unfazed. In this issue he also shrugged off magical demon-fire (which he did previously in Action #589), and his super-lungs harmlessly inhaled the demon's magical gases.

In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast.

In Adventures of Superman #478, as part of the Time and Time Again storyline, Superman survived- without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot. When the moon was obliterated, Superman was actually within the moon (structures had been built beneath the surface of the moon). He did not suffer any harm and did not lose consciousness.

Superman's ability to survive immersion in the sun is well documented by now. In Adventures of Superman #480, Superman survived immersion in the sun for the first time, but with great difficulty. This was actually a RED sun at the time, due to the Eradicator's interference. In both the Superman: Last God of Krypton one shot and Superman Man of Steel #50, Superman survived immersion in the outer layers of the Earth's yellow sun enjoyably, received extra power from the sun, and effortlessly escaped the sun?s gravitational pull. Furthermore, in both Action Comics # 782 and Superman Man of Steel #64, Superman survived the core of the sun without any problems. The pressure at the core of the sun is equal to 250 billion Earth atmospheres.

In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.

Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.

Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)

Several events show Superman as a moon-mover. In JLA # 7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron's magical machinations), then moved the Moon back its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he's more powerful as "regular" Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and artist Howard Porter had originally intended the moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by "regular" Superman , but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. In Superman Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA # 58, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern collaborated to tow Earth's moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth's gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regarded as the JLA's most powerful member, I'm inclined to give Superman more than one-third, and - conservatively - about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons.


Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld's surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld's engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac's disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld's engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex's reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies.") Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.

Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology.

Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.

War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.

Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip. He was pissed at the time.

Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO'd Lar

Action Comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.

Superman #153: Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.

Adventures of Superman #477: survives being at ground zero of an imploding sun-eater, followed by a plummet to Earth. KO'd; otherwise OK afterwards.

Adventures of Superman #478: survives the nuclear obliteration of the Earth's moon without batting an eye.

Man of Steel #64, Action Comics #782: goes into the core of a yellow sun.

Hunter/Prey #3: weathers ground zero of the supposed "million nukes" blast on Calaton.

Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO'd for a half hour, OK afterwards.

Superman for All Seasons #1 and Trinity #1: impressively endures ground zero nukes without loss of consciousness or injury.

Superman #181: Takes a punch from the magically created Bizarro creature which slams him clear through the Earth, in the ground through Metropolis, through the curst mantle and core and out through China. No injury or loss of consciousness.

Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness.

War of the Gods #4: blocks a magical beam capable of destroying an island (Paradise Island). Fails to completely mitigate the blast's effect - one person dies. Apparently briefly KO'd or at least in great pain as a result; otherwise OK at issue's end.

Adventures #581: takes a punch from a magical being that knocks him clear from Metropolis to China. No injury or loss of consciousness.

Action #762: takes a punch from Etrigan the Demon that sends him from Metropolis to the Moon. No injury or loss of consciousness.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **standing ovation**


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Doctor-Alvis
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It seems like when it comes to punching and blasting Superman, distance is the way to go.


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big grin Hah don't give me one I didn't do that I just took it from somebody. That's how I was mainly swayed from Gokou. It's from another Forum called Gaia, and this same arguement has been going on since before I even started Gaia.


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Ladys & Gentlemen PLEASE! A standing ovation for *Kaistar*!!!!!!

no not ass kissing just good to have someone around that knows what their talking about or atleasts knows how to look up the information!
and yes i agree dont mess with the ***S*** on the chest!
the mans been around since 1938 or so been re-newed dozens of times, gets killed and still keeps coming back for more. is their any doubt in your mind that he is The Man!!!

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Ok so maybe not all Kaistars doing but Kento for whoever the hell you jacked it from an where ever they got it from...keep leting people know whats up!

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^^; Eh he got it from searcing Google so standing ovation for Google


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Originally posted by TraXtaRCR3
Ladys & Gentlemen PLEASE! A standing ovation for *Kaistar*!!!!!!

no not ass kissing just good to have someone around that knows what their talking about or atleasts knows how to look up the information!
and yes i agree dont mess with the ***S*** on the chest!
the mans been around since 1938 or so been re-newed dozens of times, gets killed and still keeps coming back for more. is their any doubt in your mind that he is The Man!!!
wtf lol


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Some people are easily impressed.

All that copying and pasting to prove nothing.

Goku at his strongest is Goku after he absorbs the powers of the Eternal Dragon at the end of GT and ascends, not SS4. Shenron is a mystical dragon of immense power that can alter time and reality. You add that enhancement to Goku at SS4, and he's kicking Supes ass. That whole post was under the assumption that SS4 Goku was his strongest state and doesn't account for the merging with the black star dragon balls.

All those 'feats' listed for Supes can be matched by Goku. Goku has deflected planet sized energy balls with the destructive force to destroy solar systems.

Just look at his fight with Buu.

People brag about Superman fighting to the gates of heaven.

Goku is so respected he eats hot dogs and Top Ramen with the Gatekeeper.

As far as Supes surviving nuclear blasts, DC is really inconsistent with that. In Dark Knight Returns Supes takes on a nuclear assault and is left looking like a flying corpse and has to absorb solar power from vegetation (somehow he redirects the plants photosythesis and absorbs its solar energy stores; don't ask).

Inconsistency is the spice of life I guess. In DB Saiyans are shown flying un-aided in space at some points, like when Goku's father assaults Frieza at his ship in orbit above Planet Vegeta before Frieza destroys the planet with a blast frim his index finger.

Don't drink the DC Kool Aid.

Goku would beat regular Supes.

Ascended Goku (with the abilities of Shenron) would take Superman Prime.

Anything Supes can dish out all Goku would have to do is pop a bean and he's 100%. It's better than Barry Bond's lotion.

Supes is not taking Goku.


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No all that if from canon evidence of what the people can do. -_- Like I say Prime & Gokou after absorbing the dragonballs are never used so you cannot compare what they can do. There is no canon evidence. As for DKR that isn't canon. That's elseworld. That's not in continuity.

As for Buu against Gokou....Hello if gokou could redirect a earth destroying blast he would have not teleported to Kaioshin's planet.

Vegetto has with Super Buu's blast But Gokou never has.

Gokou is knocked thru mountain, and hurt...Supes is knocked to the moon, and unhurt. Who do you think is more durable, and able to take more?

DKR also makes Batman beat Superman when he can't. In the one canon fight they had Supes nearly killed Bats.


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laughing

Some people are easily impressed.

All that copying and pasting to prove nothing.

Goku at his strongest is Goku after he absorbs the powers of the Eternal Dragon at the end of GT and ascends, not SS4. Shenron is a mystical dragon of immense power that can alter time and reality. You add that enhancement to Goku at SS4, and he's kicking Supes ass. That whole post was under the assumption that SS4 Goku was his strongest state and doesn't account for the merging with the black star dragon balls.

All those 'feats' listed for Supes can be matched by Goku. Goku has deflected planet sized energy balls with the destructive force to destroy solar systems.

Just look at his fight with Buu.

People brag about Superman fighting to the gates of heaven.

Goku is so respected he eats hot dogs and Top Ramen with the Gatekeeper.

As far as Supes surviving nuclear blasts, DC is really inconsistent with that. In Dark Knight Returns Supes takes on a nuclear assault and is left looking like a flying corpse and has to absorb solar power from vegetation (somehow he redirects the plants photosythesis and absorbs its solar energy stores; don't ask).

Inconsistency is the spice of life I guess. In DB Saiyans are shown flying un-aided in space at some points, like when Goku's father assaults Frieza at his ship in orbit above Planet Vegeta before Frieza destroys the planet with a blast frim his index finger.

Don't drink the DC Kool Aid.

Goku would beat regular Supes.

Ascended Goku (with the abilities of Shenron) would take Superman Prime.

Anything Supes can dish out all Goku would have to do is pop a bean and he's 100%. It's better than Barry Bond's lotion.

Supes is not taking Goku.

all those feats superman can do CAN NOT be matched by goku. Goku cannot juggle planets, he can not fly 7X the speed of light, he cannot survive blast capable of destroying half galaxies (sure he COULD cause them but he cannot survive them). again, why would superman be defeated by a blast that can destroy a solar system? superman is faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable. goku's martial arts and strenght will do NOTHING against superman prime


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They wouldn't do much against Post-Crisis Supes either.


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Not to mention not one of those things are done by Superman Prime. He never brings him into the fight cause no canon evidence of him actually doing anything. All that is Pre, and Post- Crisis supes.


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Goku doesn't need to juggle planets, he can blow them up with his pinky. Being physically stronger doesn't equal being a better fighter. Goku always finds a way to win. Goku's been machine gun blasted by energy attacks that could be compared to nukes, knocked through mountains, etc., etc, and he gets up, pops a sinzu bean, and wins, and becomes stronger from the fight. Besides, 'killing' Goku makes him more dangerous. That halo simply pops over his head and he keeps fighting. You could even say he's beyond death.

And again, you are not taking into account that Goku merged with the Eternal Dragon at the end of Dragon Ball GT. Shenron grants wishes on a cosmic scale, has ressurected millions, recreated planets that have been destroyed, teleported entire alien races to other planets, etc. I think that counts for "reality and time altering". The Black Star Dragon Balls had the power to destroy the universe if you remember.

Regular Superman is not taking SS4 Goku.

Superman Prime is not taking Goku after he merged with the black star dragon balls and ascended.


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Oh, and regular Supes was taken down before by someone below Goku...


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And the dragonballs also weren't strong enough to kill Vegeta, and Nappa....so they can't do everything.

Plus if Gokou used a senzu bean it be after the fight or he'd give Supes one.

Who took Supes down that was weaker then Gokou?

He didn't merge with the black star.....They were uncreated after Piccolo died...

Gokou is not beyond death. He dies alot...He only gets to keep his body he's still dead.

How many fights has Gokou won alone? Without any type of help? Freeza he beat alone...but even that was cause Krillen died.

Gokou always wins with help..always. Without help he don't win.

Supes is Ki Immune, faster, and he's been trained. He know martial arts. He's had 100,000 years fighting experience. He's smarter then Gokou could ever be. He's not unbeatable but he is by Gokou's standards.

Nothing that has hit Gokou has turned anything for miles as smooth as glass, Superman was right in the blast, and still survived.


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No, Superman Prime has 100,000 years experience, and if we're using Prime, we'd have to use ascended Goku after he defeats Shenron at the end of GT and merges with the black star dragon balls.

The Dragon Balls you are speaking of that couldn't destroy Nappa and Vegeta are the red star Earth Dragon Balls created by Kami. The Black Star Dragon Balls from GT had the power to destroy the universe if not collected after Pilaf made the wish which reverted Goku to childhood and allowed him to regain his tail and attain his full power.


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Oh yes, please explain to us who in the series or if TOEI told us anything of what this "ascended" Goku can do? Please tell us.


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And how is Supes Ki immune when he's had trouble with psychics and psychic illusionists? His biomatrix doesn't protect him from life energy.


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Well, if you consider what Shenron alone could do, add that to Goku's attributes. People make assumptions about the Sword of Heaven, why not make assumptions about Goku with the power of the Eternal Dragon at his disposal.


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