Hah don't give me one I didn't do that I just took it from somebody. That's how I was mainly swayed from Gokou. It's from another Forum called Gaia, and this same arguement has been going on since before I even started Gaia.
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Ladys & Gentlemen PLEASE! A standing ovation for *Kaistar*!!!!!!
no not ass kissing just good to have someone around that knows what their talking about or atleasts knows how to look up the information!
and yes i agree dont mess with the ***S*** on the chest!
the mans been around since 1938 or so been re-newed dozens of times, gets killed and still keeps coming back for more. is their any doubt in your mind that he is The Man!!!
Ok so maybe not all Kaistars doing but Kento for whoever the hell you jacked it from an where ever they got it from...keep leting people know whats up!
Goku at his strongest is Goku after he absorbs the powers of the Eternal Dragon at the end of GT and ascends, not SS4. Shenron is a mystical dragon of immense power that can alter time and reality. You add that enhancement to Goku at SS4, and he's kicking Supes ass. That whole post was under the assumption that SS4 Goku was his strongest state and doesn't account for the merging with the black star dragon balls.
All those 'feats' listed for Supes can be matched by Goku. Goku has deflected planet sized energy balls with the destructive force to destroy solar systems.
Just look at his fight with Buu.
People brag about Superman fighting to the gates of heaven.
Goku is so respected he eats hot dogs and Top Ramen with the Gatekeeper.
As far as Supes surviving nuclear blasts, DC is really inconsistent with that. In Dark Knight Returns Supes takes on a nuclear assault and is left looking like a flying corpse and has to absorb solar power from vegetation (somehow he redirects the plants photosythesis and absorbs its solar energy stores; don't ask).
Inconsistency is the spice of life I guess. In DB Saiyans are shown flying un-aided in space at some points, like when Goku's father assaults Frieza at his ship in orbit above Planet Vegeta before Frieza destroys the planet with a blast frim his index finger.
Don't drink the DC Kool Aid.
Goku would beat regular Supes.
Ascended Goku (with the abilities of Shenron) would take Superman Prime.
Anything Supes can dish out all Goku would have to do is pop a bean and he's 100%. It's better than Barry Bond's lotion.
No all that if from canon evidence of what the people can do. -_- Like I say Prime & Gokou after absorbing the dragonballs are never used so you cannot compare what they can do. There is no canon evidence. As for DKR that isn't canon. That's elseworld. That's not in continuity.
As for Buu against Gokou....Hello if gokou could redirect a earth destroying blast he would have not teleported to Kaioshin's planet.
Vegetto has with Super Buu's blast But Gokou never has.
Gokou is knocked thru mountain, and hurt...Supes is knocked to the moon, and unhurt. Who do you think is more durable, and able to take more?
DKR also makes Batman beat Superman when he can't. In the one canon fight they had Supes nearly killed Bats.
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all those feats superman can do CAN NOT be matched by goku. Goku cannot juggle planets, he can not fly 7X the speed of light, he cannot survive blast capable of destroying half galaxies (sure he COULD cause them but he cannot survive them). again, why would superman be defeated by a blast that can destroy a solar system? superman is faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable. goku's martial arts and strenght will do NOTHING against superman prime
Not to mention not one of those things are done by Superman Prime. He never brings him into the fight cause no canon evidence of him actually doing anything. All that is Pre, and Post- Crisis supes.
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Goku doesn't need to juggle planets, he can blow them up with his pinky. Being physically stronger doesn't equal being a better fighter. Goku always finds a way to win. Goku's been machine gun blasted by energy attacks that could be compared to nukes, knocked through mountains, etc., etc, and he gets up, pops a sinzu bean, and wins, and becomes stronger from the fight. Besides, 'killing' Goku makes him more dangerous. That halo simply pops over his head and he keeps fighting. You could even say he's beyond death.
And again, you are not taking into account that Goku merged with the Eternal Dragon at the end of Dragon Ball GT. Shenron grants wishes on a cosmic scale, has ressurected millions, recreated planets that have been destroyed, teleported entire alien races to other planets, etc. I think that counts for "reality and time altering". The Black Star Dragon Balls had the power to destroy the universe if you remember.
Regular Superman is not taking SS4 Goku.
Superman Prime is not taking Goku after he merged with the black star dragon balls and ascended.
And the dragonballs also weren't strong enough to kill Vegeta, and Nappa....so they can't do everything.
Plus if Gokou used a senzu bean it be after the fight or he'd give Supes one.
Who took Supes down that was weaker then Gokou?
He didn't merge with the black star.....They were uncreated after Piccolo died...
Gokou is not beyond death. He dies alot...He only gets to keep his body he's still dead.
How many fights has Gokou won alone? Without any type of help? Freeza he beat alone...but even that was cause Krillen died.
Gokou always wins with help..always. Without help he don't win.
Supes is Ki Immune, faster, and he's been trained. He know martial arts. He's had 100,000 years fighting experience. He's smarter then Gokou could ever be. He's not unbeatable but he is by Gokou's standards.
Nothing that has hit Gokou has turned anything for miles as smooth as glass, Superman was right in the blast, and still survived.
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No, Superman Prime has 100,000 years experience, and if we're using Prime, we'd have to use ascended Goku after he defeats Shenron at the end of GT and merges with the black star dragon balls.
The Dragon Balls you are speaking of that couldn't destroy Nappa and Vegeta are the red star Earth Dragon Balls created by Kami. The Black Star Dragon Balls from GT had the power to destroy the universe if not collected after Pilaf made the wish which reverted Goku to childhood and allowed him to regain his tail and attain his full power.
Well, if you consider what Shenron alone could do, add that to Goku's attributes. People make assumptions about the Sword of Heaven, why not make assumptions about Goku with the power of the Eternal Dragon at his disposal.