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Afro Cheese
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So basically once your an Atheist there is no point converting to Christianity because that is unforgivable anyway?

I have a hypothetical question. If somebody like Hitler was to repent for all his sins and he genuinely meant it, would he be able to go to heaven or is there a limit on how much you can have sinned in the past to repent? Like if he was truley sorry for what he had done and accepted God and Jesus before he died, would he be able to go to heaven despite destroying millions of lives?

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So basically once your an Atheist there is no point converting to Christianity because that is unforgivable anyway?

I have a hypothetical question. If somebody like Hitler was to repent for all his sins and he genuinely meant it, would he be able to go to heaven or is there a limit on how much you can have sinned in the past to repent? Like if he was truley sorry for what he had done and accepted God and Jesus before he died, would he be able to go to heaven despite destroying millions of lives?

No, you misunderstand--one can be an atheist and become a Christian. I meant that one must be rejecting God when one dies. As in, you could convert to Christianity a minute before you die from a life of atheism or occultic practices or whatnot and still go to heaven.

There is no limit on the number of sins one can commit. If one truly believes in God and--this sounds so childish, but this is the best way to describe it--asks Him into one's heart, one can still go to heaven. If Hitler had accepted Christ, he would have gone to heaven without repercussions for his crimes.


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So then rejecting God is forgivable, as long as you change your mind before you kick the bucket..
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If Hitler had accepted Christ, he would have gone to heaven without repercussions for his crimes.

That's ****ed up...

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It's called forgiveness and unconditional love. Humans aren't so good at that. *Smiles wryly.*


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Well I'm sorry but you would think that even if Hitler became as holy as Mother Theresa before he died he would at least get a few decades in hell for all that slaughter. Doesn't seem half fair that someone who was good all their life would go to the same place as someone who lived in sin their whole life and then just changed at the end.

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Well I'm sorry but you would think that even if Hitler became as holy as Mother Theresa before he died he would at least get a few decades in hell for all that slaughter. Doesn't seem half fair that someone who was good all their life would go to the same place as someone who lived in sin their whole life and then just changed at the end.

You are absolutely correct--it's NOT fair. But Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross, carrying the burden of all the past and future sins with him in his agonizing death, so we wouldn't have to suffer for our misdeeds.

This is what separates Christianity from other religions. When did one of the gods come down and sacrifice himself so that humans wouldn't end up in a place of eternal torment?


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Oddly enough, Hitler WAS Christian. An Episcopalian. He also used to quote Martin Luther on how the Jews were evil and were responsible for the death of Christ.


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Oddly enough, Hitler WAS Christian. An Episcopalian. He also used to quote Martin Luther on how the Jews were evil and were responsible for the death of Christ.

Well, there's something you don't hear every day.


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laughing I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to imply.


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Not implying anything. Like I said, I always mean what I say and say what I mean.


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Well, I've never seen you say that.

Anyway, I just thought I'd drop that little tidbit on this debate and watch where it leads.


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SEE! I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID TIDBIT!


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. When did one of the gods come down and sacrifice himself so that humans wouldn't end up in a place of eternal torment?
eh several mythologies have the sacrificial act of "god-man" like Osiris of theEgyptian mythology and Dionysus of the Greek mythology.

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eh several mythologies have the sacrificial act of "god-man" like Osiris of theEgyptian mythology and Dionysus of the Greek mythology.

Never studied Egyptian mythology (I'm a Greek/Roman and Norse guy). What's the story about Dionysus? I know he had those vicious hordes of Maenads...


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^ well ur doing way better than me, i havent studied any sort of mythology. so i'll just do the old blonde 'smile and nod thing.' smile yes


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laughing I thought I was the only one!


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so i'll just do the old blonde 'smile and nod thing.'

I think blonds have that innate right, lol.


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so i'll just do the old blonde 'smile and nod thing
or christian denomination as we also call them big grin

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What's the story about Dionysus?
god of fertility and wine. Could bring people out of the underworld (raising the dead, sounds familiar) he died and was resurrected.

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I think blonds have that innate right, lol.



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