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whats better???
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Bardock42
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Hmm Yes the Jewish God is kind of even meaner then the christian now isn't he. When exactly did he change his mind from awn eye for an eye to the other cheek?
Oh and can you tell me where I can read about this concept of Luucifer and his fall?


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Just search for the war in heaven and its aftermath.


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you mean in the Interne? Won'T I get like thousand of different Ideas about that, is there no part in the Bible that explains iot?


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Most likely, but if you think im going to research a bible for you, your mistaked wink

I meant search in general, libraries etc etc

RE teacher?
local cleric?


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ok thanks


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Lucifer wanted to rule. Lucifer and his followers got kicked to shit by the divine forces.


In the book of enoch, it gives the actual number of gods forces (led by michael) in the battle against satan. They number in the tens of millions (at the very least), and yet satan is still more than a match for them and kicks their @$$.

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Just because he had the temporary upperhand doesnt mean hes the best. Mr T kicked the hell out of Rocky for a short while, and look what happened to him wink


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But satan kicked the shit out of tens of millions so he is better which is stupid anyway if god was omnipotent he just cease Satan out of existance.


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Maybe he is not Bad but Dumb


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But satan kicked the shit out of tens of millions so he is better which is stupid anyway if god was omnipotent he just cease Satan out of existance.

And yet if Satan is so much better, he should triumph over God in the end. I do not see why God would "cease Satan out of existance". Satan made the choice to rebel and now he suffers the consequences.


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well maybe he could have just punished him without sending millions of angels to fight him, I mean he is almighty so why all thos stuff around there?
And I didn't say that Satan was more powerful but Better, I mean like in I don't know that much about Satan and I know God is an ass.


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Satan was one of the higher form of angel anyway, he was most probably fighting lower class angels.

Michael kicked the absolute hell out of him. Then kicked him into absolute hell.


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well maybe he could have just punished him without sending millions of angels to fight him, I mean he is almighty so why all thos stuff around there?
And I didn't say that Satan was more powerful but Better, I mean like in I don't know that much about Satan and I know God is an ass.

Your final sentence dismisses any of your views on Christianity, but I will respond anyway.

Do you think that perhaps the angels WANTED to fight for God? They shouted for joy at the work of creation, and their love is undying. (It is now, anyway.) Would you not rise up to defend your father should he get into a fight? Other than that, I do not know why God had angels fight with him against Satan--but does it really matter?


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One of satans names is the accuser.
God didnt snuff him out because he has nothing to hide and no accusation that satan put against him would stand. So he let Satan go through with his verbal rebellion.
When it got to the stage where a third of the angels sided with him then things got a lil confused. Other forces of angels fought against the 'dragon' and his host and beat them.
God let it carry on because its the perfect example to anybody out there who wants to sin or live outside gods plans.


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That might be a good reason, maybe.
BUt whatever he could have just made that up and told it to humans it didn't need to really happen. No one would know the difference


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BUt whatever he could have just made that up and told it to humans it didn't need to really happen. No one would know the difference

Why?


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And people would believe and side with Satan.



THat already happened, and look what happened to those that believed him.


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THat already happened, and look what happened to those that believed him.

They got PWNED!


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And people would believe and side with Satan.



THat already happened, and look what happened to those that believed him.


I can't see them I just know a book talking about someone thatdisobeyed him.


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Believe what you want. But i think the idea of mankind suddenly believing lies about god is far-fetched.

The only way a, or the, demon could get this message through is by possession, any man who says such a thing about god would be in trouble almost straight away, people would disregard it as nonsense


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