If you were referring to me, then no there wasn't.
Doesn't change the fact that most of the list was shit though does it? I may not even put Tool first, I would put them in the top 5 however.
Any top anything in music that doesn't include Tool, Maynard, Chris Cornell or anything to do with Mike Patton in the top echelons of the list, to me isn't a top musical list. They must be judging on antiquity and reputation rather than talent, impact and innovation.
Yeah, because Bob Dylan never innovated anything. Nor did John Lennon or Marvin Gaye. Saying that a Tool song is better than What's Get It On, Baba O'Riley (which was laughably in the 300s) or Good Vibrations? Laughable--all were so different than what was heard before in a way that Tool never was.
To say that tool or Chris Cornell are more talented than The Who or John Lennon?? Laughable.
Look people, you know what kind of music is going to dominate a Rolling Stone list--it's going to be Sixties and Seventies music mostly. They were told to vote for songs from the "Rock and Roll" era--and the best songs of the rock and roll era (mid-50s to present day) were probably written back in the day before the record labels micromanaged music to shit.
You know which bands the critics and musicians themselves (that was the panel who chose the songs) consider the greatest, and so don't be surprised that if your band is not among those, your songs aren't on there. In other words: calm the **** down, if you expected Tool, Metallica, Black Sabbath or Green Day to dominate the list, then go to Alternative Press magazine.
Metallica had one song - (enter sandman) but not their greatest song -- I like that video though.. it scared me when it came out
was Green Day even on there
and most of those are songs on the list are influencial -- maybe in another 10 yrs - Tool and other bands of (2000 era) will probably be on that... but by then you will have moved on to other music ppl
MornGlory...what do you have against Tool and us Tool fans?
Hmm...lots of good songs on that list...but definitely some of them made me think "WTF were they smoking?!" I mean...what are Outkast and Eminem doing on there at ALL, let alone placed where they were? "Bitter Sweet Symphony" was on there, though...I loved that song...after reading through the whole list, I'd have to say that over all it's pretty sucky. Of course none of my favorites are on there...but hey, Nirvana in the top ten...that's pretty f*cking awesome I think.
And no one can tell me that Tool, Nine Inch Nails, and RATM shouldn't be on there if goddamn Eminem is.
Outkast's new stuff shouldn't have made it, but some of their old stuff was brilliant. As I said before, I only have two real gripes with the top ten: Satisfaction as #2 and Smells Like Teen Spirit in the top 10 at all.
"Yeah, because Bob Dylan never innovated anything. Nor did John Lennon or Marvin Gaye."
Yeah because I said they weren't innovative didn't I? Jeez. I did actually name those names and label then non-innovative didn't I? Yeaaaah.
"Saying that a Tool song is better than What's Get It On, Baba O'Riley (which was laughably in the 300s) or Good Vibrations? Laughable--all were so different than what was heard before in a way that Tool never was.
To say that tool or Chris Cornell are more talented than The Who or John Lennon?? Laughable."
And to think, I get told that I don't like it when people don't agree with me.
I respect that you view the bands you like as some kind of Gods compared to Tool, however, saying that comparing Tool to those bands is even more laughable than saying they are comparable.
I agree, they did stuff so different to the bands before them and had a CRITICAL role in making music what it is today and influencing bands today, Tool included. However, the DIFFERENCE between the music of The Who etc and bands before them is much less different than that of Tool and the people who came before. They came out in 92 at the peak of the "Grunge" revolution with an album way before it's time yet viewed as a flawed masterpiece and admittedly not on the level of their other albums. However in 1996 they produced "Aenima" which now, in 2004-05, most bands still haven't even come close to even dreaming of matching. In 01 they produced an album which was a leap into the beyond musically and lyrically that even surpassed "Aenima".
Like I said I respect your musical opinion coz you love amazing amazing bands and artists from what I've seen.
However just because I choose to realise the bands that WERE are no longer the bands that ARE, is no bad thing. When you decide to realise than between the time The Who and The Beatles ended, there have been far better, maybe you'll start respecting opinions a little more. Just because a group of bands advance music in a way that was huge and a way that you loved and it didn't stay that way, or bands didn't stick to it, you appear to be pissed from what I can see. Well that's called evolution and it's what music is about. If The Beatles were here today and you put "Sgt Peppers..." or "The White Album" next to "Lateralus" or "Aenima", I think The Beatles themselves would realise what album is the superior musical journey.
The only reason why Tool aren't acknowledge for doing more in the way of bringing music forward than those bands is for one reason only. Where Tool have taken music, alot of people are not capable of reaching or perceiving that point yet. People could immediately identify with The Who or The Beatles coz their main aim was to evolve music WITH everyone. Tool and bands like them (the few) have evolved music to a level where people capable of reaching it, can. And there are many many many people capable of doing so, you being more than capable of doing so yourself yet you obviously either don't choose to or don't want to for fear of finding something better than bands of old. That's from what I see, my opinion.
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I agree, they did stuff so different to the bands before them and had a CRITICAL role in making music what it is today and influencing bands today, Tool included. However, the DIFFERENCE between the music of The Who etc and bands before them is much less different than that of Tool and the people who came before.
Unless, of course, you look at those bands that actually influenced Tool like Mahavishnu Orchestra (who did Tool's tempo changes much better than Tool does themselves), Black Sabbath, and to a point even Rush.
The Who were different and insanely revolutionary with the unparalleled drumming of a young Keith Moon, the unparallelled bass-work of Entwistle and the VERY underrated work of Daltry. Not to mention Townshend's very serviceable guitarmanship.
The Beatles influences went from being their predecessors to their contemporaries. Pet Sounds pushed The Beatles to make Abbey Road, an album that has not been equalled yet, now 35 years after the fact. Their THIRD SONGWRITER wrote "WHile My Guitar GEntly Weeps" and "Here Comes The Sun", two songs which bands would give an arm to create.
Maynard himself paid tribute to Lennon and Gaye on eMOTIVe (even though he butchered What's Going On..).
"The Beatles influences went from being their predecessors to their contemporaries. Pet Sounds pushed The Beatles to make Abbey Road, an album that has not been equalled yet, now 35 years after the fact."
This isn't a fact. I thought someone with an intellect such as yours should be able to differentiate between fact and opinion. It's no fact coz I don't believe it is an album without equal. I believe it has many things that have equalled and surpassed it on many levels. Sorry if that is hard to accept but that's what we call formulating your own opinion.
Paying tribute doesn't mean you're bowing down and saying those bands are better than you are. Mike Patton covered "Easy" by Lionel Richie, doesn't make LR better.
GRIPE??? what are you talking about -and how can you said I "gripe" a "TON" - when I only mentioned it briefly (once or twice??) at the beginning of this thread to Alpha C... because I know they like Tool -- and they were going to say something about Tool not being on the 500.. list... blah blah blah
ok one other thing to dear...
if I was "griping" about anything it was about Oasis - and their stupid WOnderwall song not being on the chart- but there was some british rock on there so im satisfied with that ..
if it was a british chart then Oasis would be on there a few times .. and then there would probably be some griping
all the Tool hype on this board is getting annoying....you know theyre not the be-all and end-all of music...
theyre great, but im not surprised theyre not in the top 50 best songs ever... infact i wouldnt be surprised if they werent in the top 100
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