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Exactly! When I say "Football" that means NFL. Now, if you're talking "Football" as in "Soccer" that's a different story. Soccer is a sport for both sexes. Even if you play Professional. But as far as Football.......no.
A good salary for sporting events comes with the popularity of said sports, the reason women atheletes are paid less is because their are very few people who are into womens sports.
The most popular one is probably womens basketball, and that's just used as a substitute for the NBA when it's not available.
BF> yeah, sponsors wont pay big bucks if no one watches it
WD> In England, no one cares about women's football (soccer, to you yanks) and its the men that get the money useful fact: the women's FA cup was women by arsenal last year
Sorry, Zero, I don't quite get the coherency of your logic there. We all agree, I hope, that equality is mostly about equality of opportunity- which is to say, all females should have the same opportunities as all males. Both genders should have the same opportunities to try out for, for example, a football team, and it is merely biology that gives more men the chance to fulfill that opportunity, as opposed to sexism.
So following on from that, as you say, we don't tell featherweight boxers they cannot box becuase there are heavyweights. That would be silly.
So surely by extension of that logic, why would be possibly deny the opportunity for women to compete in their own relevant areas in sport? As Link says, lump it all together and that will simply lead to the removal of women from nearly all competitive events that require physicality. As we know, biological fact is that they don't have the same potential as men do in these things.
It strikes me that to deny them this opportunity to compete at the appropriate level will simply destroy the deserved aspirations and hopes of many skilled and talented people. Look at tennis- who wants to deny that Navratilova, Graf, Seles, the Williams sisters etc. are just as skilled in their disciplines as McEnroe, Becker, Lendl, Sampras etc. Their games are very entertaining- heck, some of the woman's games are WAY more fun than the over-powered men's game. And sometimes not. But only this gender seperation- again, an inevitable result of biology- makes it possible for anyone to be interested in Women's Tennis at all, and watching these skills- because as we know from mixed games, men tend to destroy more skilled female opposition.
So if you ask me, equality of opportunity demands gender seperation at the point at which it is simply not physically possible for women to compete with the men any more, else opportunity to play at the top level is being denied to women, and that is the same logic as different weight classes in boxing.
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No, I don't think females mingling with male players in football would be appropriate. Perhaps females only football at most, but definitely not together.
This is a contact sport and although there is mixing in wrestling (at least from the high school level in some places), this will prove dangerous to women. I can see this leading to possible groping and other forms of conduct on and off the field.
Also, I remember hearing in the news about two female football players who got raped by players off the field. One was a kicker, but I can't rememeber the other one's position.
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Same here. The only reason soccer became so famous here was because of Mia Hamm and the olympics. The so-called WNBA (Women's National Basketball Association) is doomed to fail. Very little fans or lack of interest.
Unless 6'2'' 250lbs women start sprouting up all over the place, women aren't going to get into (American)football. Sure, let them try out, but when they go home with a permanant limp, they can't complain, they're the ones that wanted equal treatment.
to match the men in sports they have to loose whatever left of their femininity thats the problem.
And in Football(soccer for the yanks ) they will never reach the level men are at in our lifetime.
femininity is not an absolute, it keeps changing. once trousers were terribly masculine, now they're worn by both women and men. once it was consider masculine to wear wigs and powder. now it isn't. what's to say a female football player's not to become feminine? as I see it, the only thing that defines femininity's that a big enough amount of women is doing it.
take a look at the female football players of today the way I define femininity is that woman actually look feminine and have feminine gestures/movement....the grace that surround women
Mr. Zero> When you need the division between the genders in sports – is that a good or a bad thing?
Yes, IN GENERAL men will be better at football than women, yes, IN GENERAL, women will be better at marathons and… gymnastics (I think).
It’s a good thing because you allow bot genders to compete “fairly”, we accept that there are differences between men and women, between young and old.
Finti> “I think women would loose their femininity if they had to compete on a male level.”
You’re not afraid that men would loose their masculinity if they had to compete on a female level?
Clovie> I suppose some women want to play football for the same reasons that some men do.
Some sports involve certain risks. I’ve sprained and injured muscles I didn’t know I had, had my lips split and been bruised all over doing martial arts. But, hey… It’s a lot of fun learning to do things I didn’t know I could with my body.
Male cheer-leaders?? Hmmmm, NOW we’re getting somewhere…. Where are they????
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Nov 24th, 2004 06:05 PM
useful fact: the women's FA cup was women by arsenal last year 
) they will never reach the level men are at in our lifetime.
Where are they????
