actually my first post had me talking about liking toxins character, and then not too long ago i said we dont actually know enough about toxin to say he's stronger than venom or carnage from the 2 or 3 issues he's appeared in, i may sound like im bias towards wolverine but its just because i dont type everything i think about in my posts
If we follow the pattern, each symbiote becomes more powerful that it's parent. Therefore Toxin is stronger than Carnage, and it's also been stated by Venom and/or Carnage in the comic itself. Besides, when was the last time a regular knife or bullet penetrated a symbiote? Never. Guess what Wolverine will be using? Big ****ing knives attached to his hands. For Wolverine to win, he'd need a sonic enhancement to his claws, or a damn flamethrower.
Secondly, the Wolverine fanboyism displayed -anywhere- not just this forum, makes me want to puke. They take a perfectly decent not-so-out-there character and make him i0nto a god-like idol. Ugh.
sure, they're knives, but made out of an indestructible metal and sharp as sh*t, anyway what about that female symbiote, is she an offspring from any other symbiote?
Shriek? Or the other one? The 5 offspring that came from Venom in the Lethal Protector series don't usually count as official offspring, seeing as they were made artificially from Venom's symbiote (I think. I don't remember). Anyway, each symbiote is allowed ONE offspring, Venom's is Carnage.
And Wolverine's claws aren't indestructable, Hulk has bent and broken adamantium before. (That's why his fights with Wolverine are bullshit)
those were extracted directly from Venom's suit. I think the original wrighter wanted them to each be as powerful as carnage, but due to shitty wrighting afterwards, they were merely used as basic thugs through major plots.
just because he has bent adamantium (although i never heard of him doing this) doesnt mean he could bend wolvies claws, i mean they arent very long so they're hard to grab, and they're razor sharp so if hulk did grab them wolvie would just pull and slice, they've been fighting eachother forever, i've never seen anyone call it crappy writing before
There could be a number of theories that could explain that, like WHAT IF: wolverine had more than one mutant power, what if he was able to physically reinforce the amount of damage his adamantium could take by delivering energy towards the adamantium (or skeleton) inside his body simply based on willpower. it would help explain why a bone clawed wovlerine can get hit by the Hulk without just being vaporized off the face of the earth much less an adamantium filled wolvie. just a theory, but it's not entirely implausible. sorry to be off subjuect
on subject.
I love Wolverine, but a pissed of toxin backed down carnage and venom, I would have to assume that carnage has a lot of experience in fighting too, (albiet not nearly as much as wolverine) but he got crushed by toxin, nearly killed. I don't think wolverine can stand up to that.....if Toxin is as inexperienced as one would say, he might make the mistake of allowing wolverine to get up close and personal, if that happens all it takes is one good slash to the host body and that fights done for...but right now I still say the advantages go to toxin.
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what issue did toxin do that? i remember in #4 he gave carnage a good clock on the back but it didnt really hurt carnage in a real bad way, carnage and venom (the oh so fearless characters they are) just ran away for no reason, not even a cool exit speech, i thought that was pretty wierd
in #3 he gave carnage a great beating but i dont think he could've killed carnage, other characters have given him worse than that
as for him making the mistake to get close enough to wolvie, from what we've seen of the character he primarily fights hand to hand well in range of wolvies attacks
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that's what ithought too, but I still say he can't be taken lightly. and in venom/carnage 3 man, venom observed that he could have been killed, carnage agreed, and the only thing that stopped toxin was himself....I do agree about the exit in 4 though, what the hell was that? the've been in tighter spots (almost lethal) and pulled through just fine, I think that was a craptacular ending to what started out as a promising series.
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Venom tells carnage in issue 2 (or was it 3?) that toxin could have killed him, and carnage agrees... or maybe it was carange telling venom that toxin almost killed carnage and venom agreed.... either way, both admitted that toxin coulda killed carnage.
in #3 carnage gets thrown out of a building by toxin, the next panel cletus is standing there with the symbiote regrouping and says "thats it, now you've gone and made me mad!", then later on carnage attacks toxin and tries to iron his face (lol) toxin beats him pretty bad and leaves the scene, then later venom says "until i saw it. he could've killed you" where carnage replies "dont remind me" and then they start talking about toxin having conscience and morality so they team-up to attack toxin
imo i dont think that was enough to kill carnage, i've seen him go through worse beatings than that
yeah the ending sucked too imo
im not saying wolvie is simply going to walk up to toxin and slash him like a maniac, it would definitely be one long hardcore fight with both character eventually going enraged, but imo wolverines superior fighting skills (not to mention his healing factor) would give him the win, especially if wolverine finally goes berserk
anyway, wasnt carnage weakened in an earlier comic after his fight with silver surfer, or sometime when venom re-absorbed the carnage symbiote and cletus found another one (said to be weaker in some bio's and the same strength in others) in the negative zone
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i don't honestly know if carnage has actually been made weaker. i know that writers have weakened him down a few and a half notches since his first appearance, as they are the most dangerous enemy a comic book character ever has, but I don't really know.
I'm not saying that what toxin did ws enough to kill carnage, I just believe that he was definitely in a possision to kill carnage, and I don't think carnage would easily admit to something like that unless it was indisputible.
(lol) the only way i see Wolverne winning is him and toxin are near a gas station, wolverine slashes the pump and throws his cigar in the gas ....toxin "AHHHHHHH I'm on fire!"
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neck snapping has been proven wrong, he's survived space, strangulation, slashed throat, unconscienceness due to his nervous system, smashed inbetween two speeding cars (no adamantium)
i think this should be continued after we know alot more about toxin's character
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