If you cause enough damage to the symbiot it will start to leave areas of the host exposed. It don't think their is much Toxin can do to keep Wolverine down as it is (unless he really pisses him off) so it is only a matter of time before Wolverine gets to Pat.
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exactly... wolverine has been turned into a god by crap wrighting. Knowing that, you can pitch him against ANY enemy, and very few would be able to kill him without altering reality, if any.
yet, there are still ways to beat him. Hell, elektra almost beat him by stabbing him in the back with her sai.... not too impressive, if you ask me. Toxin sure as hell wouldn't be beaten by that...
"Wolverine into a god", and I wouldn't have him any other way.
sure beats that loser that got KOed by alpha flight's eradicator and sasquatch back in the day.
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wolverine was running away to avoid killing her, elektra was trained by the hand, wolverine still has a human body, so she used pressure points to slow him down, not completely stop him, if he wasnt running away from her he would've definitely killed her
Alright the way i see it Toxin can beat Wolverine. First off right when he was first spawned he was able to beat Carnage like he was nothin. Second time they met he beat Carnage again like it was nothing and had Carnage on his knees and it looked like he was about to be head him or strangle him to death but either way Carnage would of died. Then when Venom and Carnage doubled teamed him they were winning untill he saw that Spiderman was about to be killed and he got seriously pissed off and bulked up like Venom and they ran away because they knew that he was about to lay them out. If Venom can give Wolverine a hard time how can you say that Toxin wont be able to beat him when he is an upgraded Version of Venom cause as it has been stated with every generation of symbiot they evolve stronger and stronger. Even with his experienced Wolverine would be beatin. Wolverine can be knocked out even though his head mght be adamantium nothin keeps his brain from getting knocked around or Toxin could just keep his distand and keep stabing him untill his healin factor is over loaded.
his healing factor isnt a computer it doesnt overload, it just works overtime the more wounds he has
when toxin came into the scene in #4 all he did was hit carnage once in the back and not really all that hard, the recent carnage was said to be weaker than the original carnage, cletus cassidy found the recent symbiote in the negative zone, so theres no way of telling if he's stronger than the other two although he did give them a beating, so has spidey which again results in questioning the true strength of toxin
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and that's why wolverine claimed he was trying to kill her in the same issue?
oh, and yes, she used pressure points. Umm.. toxin is a cop, right? You do realize that they know pressure points as well... maybe not the 100 million japanese made up ones that are in comics, but enough to seriously hurt someone with little effort, only problem is, most cops aren't trained well enough to actually USE them. They know what they are and where they are, but not how to use them effeciently (as a gun or tazer seems so much better most of the time) So, how do we fix that? Give them a symbiote. So yeah, toxin knows all about pressure points, and that's been shown to cause wolvie some SERIOUS trouble already....
LMMFAO, cops dont know pressure points, they use minimal sloppy ass tactics that most of them forget about once they actually become cops...thats one bullsh*t arguement if i've ever heard one
wolvie never claimed he tried to kill her!! she stabbed him in two pressure points on his back, thats when his escape plan started, then elektra stabbed him in the neck so he could have something hard to heal, he healed just in time when the water came rushing in, killed a shark, and made his complete exit with all the s.h.i.e.l.d. info he needed, his plan was to get in, get info, and get out while slowing them down, get the story straight
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i think you should read more about wolvie, he's definitely at elektra's level because he was trained by the hand also, not to mention kills sea's of the hands best ninja's every few story arc's, has a healing factor, adamantium claws/adamantium-laced skeleton, oh yeah and he wasnt named WeaponX for nothing
wolvie didnt even care about elektra, he didnt even bother mentioning her in his mind, and basically mocked her when he first confronted her
oh come on i'm a devoted wolverine fan myself but damn! Wolverine was getting f***ed up by elektra. yeah she he may have been healing from a state of death and she may hav gotten the drop on him, but she was about to beat his carcus down with a metal pipe before the water rushed in. Also i don't recall wolverine saying anything about holding back from killing her, (isn't that the whole point of this stroy arch). She was beating him something ugly. Don't get me wrong in a straight up fight wolverine would kill her plain and simple, under the circumstances of this fight, she WAS definitely kicking his ass.
I still say (with an absurd amount of reluctance) that toxin takes this.
In the comics though I don't see what's so hard about fighting a symbiote, all wolverine has to do is light up one of them old school frankensein torches and wala instant advantage is his.
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ummm, im pretty sure if wolvie wanted to kill elektra he'd at least face her, instead of seeing his back turned to her through the whole issue, the meaning of that mission was to go in, get info, and get out, then go to the baxter building and do the same thing
dude how can you deny that he was fighting? once he could he turned around trying to open a can on her (sliced up her sais) and she beat him down anyway. i don't think wolverine is holding back from killing anyone on these missions. he just hasn't had the oppurtunity yet, i mean it's not like they're gonna let him kill some of the greatest heroes in the marvel universe just for his comic sales.
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wolvie cut the sai's to give her less of an advantage, which helped alot considering his neck wound would've been alot worse if she had the full blades, and did you bother looking at elektra's expression to that attack?
the meaning of this story arc isnt to kick everyones ass, he's brainwashed and working for hydra to get info, its just uber-spy sh*t
she didnt beat him down, she just gave him a hard wound to slow him down, which worked for a little while, but wolvie was a step ahead