LOD, Spider-man indeed has the fair advantage as he does have superior speed, agility, strength, spider-sense, and webbing, while Cyclops being one-dimensional only has his optic blast...
Now to give credit where it's due, Cyclops' Optic Blast can do range from devastating to ultra-devastating as he toppled the likes of Onslaught..One good clean show would floor Spider-man for sure..
But, Spider-man isn't one of marvel's finest for nothing and really knows how to avoid offensive attacks(besides, his spider sense would come in handy), and he would proceed to deliver a hellified and speedy butt whoopin to the leader of the X-men....
two things
1: when has any of you ever seen cyclops literally lay a hand on some body he's fighting
2: how many times have you seen spidey get
A: clipped by bullets from police officers/fleeing bank robbers
B: get banged up by Doc Ock's tentacles/Lizard's tail
C: get smacked around by someone as lowly as Vulture/HammerHead
D: get choked and slammed by King Pin
E: get zapped by Electro/Shocker
the list of 2nd and third raters go on and on...
i dont deny for one minute that he's incredibly speedy but be that as it may he cannot move faster than scott can turn his head left-right, up-down. and since the beam coming from his eyes are moving at the speed of light, i dont see how he can live. maybe he'll ddoge the first couple of shots but sooner or later he gets blasted.
plus if anyone remembers scott has a control mechanism for his visor in his gloves so he doesnt have to press the button at the sides so if spidey fires web in his face it wouldnt be a factor, not only bcuz it would get zapped off quicker than it got thier but bcuz his eyes would be procted under the visor anyway so its not like he would have to squint.
somebody said earlier that if spidey gets hit with a full blast he wouldnt be hurt much. R U shittin me? this is a guy who repeatedly has blown holes thru buildings,sent cars flying, and ripped thru super dense super durable Sentinels like a hot fork thru flap jacks, and at full power can blow thru mountains if he felt like it. and spidey isnt gonna be hurt much?
lets also not forget that He has an uncanny ability to compute trigonometric relations, which allows him to bounce his optic blasts with incredible accuracy. so spidey's agilty would only get him so far b4 he gets introduced to his insides that are laying next to him on the pavement
The reason Spider-Man sometimes looks like Vulture, Shocker, or other similar 2nd rate villians are beating him is simply because the writers too often don't use the full extent of his abilities. I've read comics where it looks like Vulture is his equal...I've also seen comics where he's dancing circles around 5 or 6 X-Men, or dodging multiple bullets, or tons of laser fire, and the list could go on.
Often when he is hit by someone, he is in some compromising situation (the kind the good guys always seem to get into to give bad guys a temporary advantage), but that wouldn't happen here since it's just a deathmatch. Provided that both characters are at the maximum potential of their abilities (and for the sake of the discussion that should be assumed) SM wouldn't get touched by the beams. And if he isn't holding back, one punch or one web-to-the-foot-then-throw-Cyke-into-a-wall will be enough to stop him.
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I'm sure Scott has a pretty large list of 2nd rate villains that he's lost to as well. Perhaps not nearly as many, but look at the number of comics Spiderman is involved in...
You can't take a character's worst performances and assume that's how he would fight in a scenario like this.
Hey i LOVE Links discription of the fight web to leg web to face pull, cyclops is on the floor after that spiderman has his way with him... cyclops optic beams might be able to break the webbing but he sure cant wats he gonna do when hes on the floor wrapped in a web like frodo in the ROTK...LOL Spiderman runs cyclops.
And the reason that sometimes writers have close fights against 2nd rate villains like that is b/c they are trying to make money, They do want to keep selling comics... would you keep buying comics if spiderman just manhandled everybody in every comic the same exact way.. NO thats boring you have to add suspense and tension as well as human aspect to what your writing. Besides everyone has a bad day now and then... I mean the even the yankees lose to bad teams
What! Cyclops is with emma frost now? How, and why? I dont read marvel anymore so the last x-men comic i read was death, the whole wolverine thing. I also heard that Cyclops has hieghtend abilites now, he no longer wears a visor. Xavier and havok always said that Cylops was far more powerfull that he knew, always thought it was said just to tickle the readers.
I love Cyke, but Cylops has no endurance. As kontraz pointed out too, Spiderman could probably take a couple blasts from Cyclops. Maybe not full out, right on rage blasts, but he could take some optic punishment and still be levels higher than Cyclops. Maybe if Cyclops, got pissed off, lucked out and nailed spidey dead on he could win, but spidey wouldnt have to be lucky to win this match, just himself. His spidey sense would also be a disadvantage to cyclops ability.
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so let me get this straight. you mean to tell me that even after you posted a picture of cyclops practically atomizing a sentinel at close .....at full power. and re-arranged the landscape a little you still think spiderman can win?
i can understand the moral dilemma that might plague him about whter or not others are gonna get hurt, but in this thread its already understood that this match is all or nothing. ironically that was one of the pictures i was referring to when i said how he ripped thru sentinels. that and the one in the Ultimate Xmen when they went to San fran and a sentinel had scott in the palm of his hand, and he just let loose and let his beam roar thru its freaking skull.
i think you just might be a little insane if you think spidey has a chance to win this. like i said scott can move his head faster than spidey can move.period. if scott just takes off his visor and look in every direction spidey is jumping about, how is he gonna escape? even if he gets his feet webbed as others have suggested, whats gonna stop him from just looking at spidey? even if his whole body is webbed up like in ROTK
to the death... an uninhibited cyclops takes it... but he would need a hell of a reason to be that uninhibited against spidey, like if spidey killed an xman...
So... you're saying that it would be boring for Spiderman to have this great power everyone's been talking about, even though he does have it?? O...K... Why would they give SM sissy enemies and just make him hold back all the time? That's stupid. Did you ever think that they would have just given him stronger baddies if he got so strong? That's what they did with the X-men (hence, Scott ).
And I think all of you anti-Summers people are overlooking the fact that he's a high ranking super-hero as well. I don't give a damn about how Spiderman has dodged bullets and all that, 'cuz he didn't dodge all the fists lfying at him from the likes of Venom, Vulture, Rhino, Sandman... And last time I checked, Bullets move a hell of a lot faster than fists and crazy running big headed maniacs. Summers has beaten the likes of all of those guys and more.
Realistically, if written like he should be, Venom (and maybe Sandman) are the only ones from those four who should be able to lay a hand on Spidey. And someone mentioned that if he had all these great powers, why not give him better villians rather than "writing Spidey down" to these lower villians. The fact is, they have. Interspersed with crap like Vulture and Rhino are real villians who SHOULD give Spidey a run for his money and do. So occasionally Spidey is "written down" for these guys...though truthfully, I haven't read either of those two (or similarly crappy villians) get any good licks in on him in a while. I read one where Vulture messes him up, but he was unconscious and drugged when Vulture found him...not exactly a fair fight.
Scott included (albeit not at "full rage level"), I've seen Spidey jump around the X-Men like he was a carefree rabbit (odd analogy, I know...couldn't think of anything better). But if SM is at full capability, and he is (we aren't bad writers after all), the only way Scoot will get to him is if he takes off his visor...like I originally said. But SM could do a number of things to take him out in the time in would take Cyke to do that (unless he knew about the fight beforehand, but that would include prep time, which wasn't specified). If the fight starts at a considerable distance with little cover, like a barren plain (or similarly austere setting) Cyke will have time to whip off his visor and has a better than average chance. Otherwise SM takes it.
Dude. The time when SM took the Xs was a one time, bad writing, pumped to high hell SM, event.Wolverine haspunked SM's ass hardcore, alone. That's proof that SM was just pumped up.Who would have wanted to see SM get his ass wupped by a group of high powered crushers? SM really needed the publicity when that comic was issued, Xmen didn't. SM has been beaten by baddies far under Cy's level, so I say that he takes it.
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