Darth Revan would kick Darth Vaders butt. Revan is probably one of the strongest force wielders that has ever lived, probably at Exar Kuns level. Quite simply the two dark lords come from different ages. By Vader's time it seems like a lot of the force powers had been forgotten, the wisdom lost. Revan comes from the golden age when both the Sith and Jedi were strong. Revan probably had many more powerful opponents to vanquish than Vader so he/she would be more capable.
the only reason luke beat vader is because he started to use the powers of the dark side. he freakin used hate and rage to beat vader's Ass into the ground. so really the strongest jedi is a perfect blend of good and evil.
another thing about Vaders medoclorian count, if most of his body is robotic then his medoclorian count would be way down from when he was in his prime. therefore making him weaker as Darth Vader and stronger as Anakin. I think Darth Revan could have defeated Vader.
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I stumbled across this in a search and I felt compelled to reply.
Revan versus Vader... sounds amazing.
Let's consider a few things-
1: Vader was created for the movie, which was created before the idea of ancient Sith lords was ever conceived of. Thus, for him to be the ultimate badass bad guy, he had to be powerful. And for us to care, he had to be a fallen prodigy.
2: The only reliable source I recall as labeling Anakin/Vader as the chosen one and the most powerful Jedi is relatively current sources... i.e. jedi of his time period. Knights of the Old Republic takes place many eras ago, and undoubtedly much knowledge was lost over time. It is reasonable enough to chalk up Vader's esteemed status to his being the classic, most well-known Sith and to the limited knowledge of his peers. Remember, Yoda is not even a thousand years old, and Revan's time was four thousand previous.
3: Vader has little influence for a true Sith warrior. In A New Hope, he is outranked by the non-Force sensitive Moff in charge of the Death Star. (I believe it's Moff Tarkin... I could be wrong.) He does not lead massive armies, nor is he particularly deadly in saber combat. His abilities have definately atrophied since his youth. I would also like to point out that as of Attack of the Clones, Anakin/Vader was a mere boy with little discipline. Regardless of his potential, I believe his discipline would always hold him back. In A New Hope, Vader often lost his temper, though that was rarely the case later on.
4: Willpower. Vader was pretty much dominated by Darth Sidious, or else he would have eventually struck down his master and become Sith Lord himself. Revan's willpower was pretty much legendary, as he failed to be consumed by the dark energies of Malachor V; instead he was able to harness tham for his own benefit. He was also able to convert and train numerous Jedi, as opposed to Vader's Jedi-genocide.
5: Knowledge. Revan was meticulous in gleening knowledge of the Jedi and the Sith, and his era was a so-called golden era of Jedi and Sith knowledge. He certainly would be more formidable based on what he would know that Vader would be ignorant of.
6: Lastly, ability. Vader is a practitioner of Form V saber fighting, which is an aggressive style that has an emphasis on taking the fight to the opponent. A key part of this style of fighting is not blast deflection (As was Form III, used by Obi Wan) but rather directly reflecting blasts back at the enemy. This form relied a lot on open movements and emotional energy. If Revan was a formidable saber duelist, it is reasonable to believe that he would have mastered Form II (Which is what Dooku used... a primarily fencing type form used to combat other swordsmen... a primarily Sith-type form) among other forms, some perhaps which were lost in all those millenia. And while I'm thinking of it, let's not forget Revan's amazing charisma. He was a sly cunning opponent who should never be underestimated. Vader is rather basic and pretty predictable.
That's my reasoning, and I pick Revan as the victor because of all the above reasons.
Darth Vader would win because he was the Chosen One, Darth Revan on the other hand was extremely powerful but did not have a close connection to the force as Vader did. Even though Revan is probably my favourite Sith Lord, Vader would win the fight.
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I'm just gonna assume you haven't played KotOR I and II through to completion because of your opinion on this match. Let's put it this way:
Darth Revan was an amazing strategist who was able to turn or kill most of the Jedi that lived in his time. He was able to tap power from the darkside and yet have enough willpower to harness it as opposed to being absorbed himself. He was trained by Kreia, who kills three Jedi masters with a raise of her hand. I could go on and on about this...
I played both, and I don't give a damn.
Vader was trained by Sidious, who learned how to use midichlorians to extend his life.
I'm sorry but Sidious is the most powerful Sith ever, with Vader as number 2.
F*CK Revan.
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How is Vader more of a badass, if we avoid the sticky, much brought up idea of his being The One? (Matrix or Jesus, anyone?)
Maybe almost thirty years ago, when A New Hope came out, Vader was a badass. But in 2005, I think it's safe to say he's surpassed. And as for Sidious... meh. All that power and what did he ever do with it? He was merely a tricky politician with a few tricks up his sleeve. He was no real Jedi. At least Revan was still the man even without the Force, as was the exile. Sidious would be a nigh dead old fool, and Vader would be fighting for oxygen.
Jan 27th, 2005 01:42 AM
