Btw...You don't like Emma for (allegedly) being a stereotype and at the same time you love Gambit???!!! What else is he, if not the stereotypical shady, mysterious, cunning, slightly dangerous and overwhelmingly charming loverboy of almost every housewife's XXX rated dreams? [/QUOTE]
Yeah it was a good one...
What I love about Gambit is his backstory. The whole Theives Guild thing (I know a lot of people hate the Guilds but there you go) and I find him funny.
Every housewife's XXX-rated dreams?!? Are you trying to say something about me, wannabe???
I was just using exaggeration to make my point clear. I didn't want to say anything about you in the way you might think i wanted!!!
Gambit can indeed be funny and the thieves guild thing is pretty cool too imo. I can very well understand why you like him.
What i wanted to make clear is, that you possibly like him despite him being a stereotype, because there is more to him than just that... BUT
...at the same time you hate Emma for expressing a stereotype even though there is far more to her than just that.
For the one it's neglectable and ok, but for the other it's just lame???
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I'm a fan of both Cyclops and Wolverine. I'm always surprised by the fact that many people are only fans of one of them and dislike the other. Not only are they both interesting characters, they are also often at their best while interacting with each other.
As for Gambit; personally I'm not that fond of him, but I understand why people are.
I have never really been a fan of Cyke until a couple of years ago when him and Emma got together. I found him extremely boring, and he used to annoy the piss outta me. I did respect him mind you, but didn't like him. When he starts dating Emma, he went from being a tactical genius who very sure of himself (most of the time anyway), and uber boy scout, to self doubting, second guessing shadow of himself. I remember reading thinking "What the hell is up with Cyke?" and I loved it. Finally, I started caring about Scott. I started rooting for him. I would be reading and saying out loud " C'mon Cyclops...show Emma you have a backbone. Show Emma WHY you are the leader of X-Men!". The last few months have been great. Not only is he finally telling Emma to shove it, but he isn't backing down...isn't saying he's sorry. No. He's laying down the law. When it's all said and done, Cyclops is going to be the real leader we all thought he SHOULD be. He will no longer be the field leader...but the field general. A leader that gets done what needs to be done. It's about damn time. Do you think the old Scott would have told Xavier to leave and the Institute is his? Of course not.
Thank you Emma...thank you for being such a B***H.
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I was just using exaggeration to make my point clear. I didn't want to say anything about you in the way you might think i wanted!!!
Gambit can indeed be funny and the thieves guild thing is pretty cool too imo. I can very well understand why you like him.
What i wanted to make clear is, that you possibly like him despite him being a stereotype, because there is more to him than just that... BUT
...at the same time you hate Emma for expressing a stereotype even though there is far more to her than just that.
For the one it's neglectable and ok, but for the other it's just lame??? [/B][/QUOTE]
I don't SEE any more to her than just that. I really don't. I don't understand why the writers seem to have fallen in love with her. There is nothing special about her imo. I am allowed to not like Emma, aren't I?
Logan, i dislike his personality, and the fact that while he seems to repect cyclops as a leader, he still chased jean... that and alot of other reasons it'd take too long to explain...
Gambit? honestly, i think potentially he could be a really good character, but as far as i can see they just stuck him with rogue instead of doing some serious character development...
they write him as this very smarmy character sometimes, which is annoying... and the charm power... seriously...
as for not liking emma, of course you can, just give a reason other than her being a stereotype...
For me, i will suggest scott must stay with jean, i have a few reasons here:
1. I dunno who is Emma Frost
2. If scott lost his visor, he may call jean for help.
That's all for me.
I think the only reason that Cyclops loves Emma is because she's hot and sexy. I mean theres nothing else from her that makes him attracted to her, is there? I think that Scott only truly loves one person, and that is Jean Grey.
he stayed with her because she's the polar opposite of jean... she helps him confront his problems and conquer them... she's brought him out of his shell big time...
Well, this is my first post here. I hope i'm not too annoying for this forum's standards (because i'm too annoying by any other standard i have ever known ).
Anyway, i read the entire thread, and there's too much things i want to comment, so i won't quote everything, and the post will be very, very, very long. So, here it goes:
I think that, no matter what happens, decades from now, Grant Morrison's greatest contribution to the X-men will be the "Emott". First, because, at any time in the history of the X-men, the whole idea would seem absurd; sure, you could imagine that one day Jean and Scott would or could break up, and he then would have another woman, but few would imagine that he would have an affair; actually, i doubt that people believed than any X-man would have an affair in the first place, and with another member ot the team. And, in Scott's case, if you would make a poll about asking "who will be Scott's new girl", i'm sure that Jubilee, Kitty Pryde, all the girls who were from the X-force and the New Mutants, etc, would have more votes than Emma, everyone would assume that it would be Psylocke, because they were attracted to each other, or Storm, because they are close friends, or even Polaris (even though she doesn't seem to like Cyke), because she was Alex's girl, and he was presumed dead at the time. Matching Cyclops and the White Queen completely defies all expectations.
Second, because they actually do work together pretty well, her strengths complement his weaknesses and his strengths complement her weaknesses, she makes him get out of the shell more, and he makes her drop the "bitchy" attitude and being more of herself. I like the idea of a couple who can really open up only to each other, admit their insecurities and fears while trying to keep more of a strong image to everyone else. With Jean, he had some difficulties to being herself, and she was most or all the time strong and did not have much troubles in open herself. Also, Emma not only on the team, but as co-headmaster and in a relationship with the team leaded, right after his wife, a person which everybody loved (because EVERYBODY loves Jean, of course), died, creates a lot of tension among the whole team, they don't know for sure how much they can trust Emma, or even if they can trust her at all, and they see Scott in a very different way, and they might begin to wonder how much they can trust him too.
About Scott and Jean: I liked them as a couple, and i too believed at first that the end of their marriage was Scott's fault alone, but i just finished reading again Morrison's run on NXM, and now i realize that much of it was her fault too. She, is true, had to deal with the school, and had a lot of work, but she never truly pushed him to open up. I remembered that, in X-Factor, after Warren had just being released from Apocalypse's control and was darker and angry, etc, she said, kind of irritated: "You're not the only who have ever been possessed by evil, you know?". She was able, for the most part, to control herself and to resist to her dark side, but assumed then that it was easy to everyone, and couldn't think in better answers like "The bad feeling goes away" or the one she gave Warren. She should know that not everybody would be that strong, and that hear the thoughts of another person in your mind it's harder for non-telepaths. And it should also be noticed that she was gradually becoming the Phoenix, so she was more and more of a goddess at the time her husband was more humane than never, more off all this when Scott needed her more. I'm not saying it justifies banging another woman, of course, and i know most of the problems were his fault, but still she's not innocent. Scott was always there for her when she had her Phoenix issues, when she had troubles with other personalities, her dark side, but when he needed, she wasn't there, at least as much as he needed.
Jean and Logan: She never slept with Logan, like somebody said, and it's not her fault being attracted to him, but, while he was heavily attracted to her, Scott said to Betsy "it's not gonna happen", and then walked away. Jean never did something like that, and should have been more sensitive to know that you should stay away from a person you know you're attracted to, you know is attracted to you and wants to do something about it, while you have a husband; i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but Scott and Betsy have never been alone anywhere since she kissed him. And, while surely she was depressed and feeling bad, Jean did try to kiss Wolverine in NXM 117 (i'm not counting Uncanny 394, since they though they were going to die anyway, so what the heck?), but he walked away.
About Logan: he was, at his best stories, portrayed as nearly a samurai, a man with honor, and behaved like that, but then he has no problems in throwing himself at the woman of his teammate and leader. I like him, but he really behaved like an ass. At least, eventually he gave up, but it was only after he became closer to Cyke, finally friends, when he saw that Scott was having problems after merging with Apocalypse, behaving like a man with honor, but still seems like, while he wouldn't betray a friend, it's okay to try to sleep with the woman of a man who saved your life dozens of times.
Scott and Psylocke: Was kind of Jean and Logan, but, while he was heavily attracted to her, when she kissed him, he said "it's not gonna happen", and, like i said above, unless if i'm wrong, never even was alone with her again. Surely, perhaps the most mature thing would be to openly talk with Jean, trying to straight things out, and not go to Alaska for a while, but still, he never did anything to make Jean feel insecure. She knew that, at best, he was away from the temptation, while she... Many or most men would have dumped her already, or said "it's him or me".
Scott and Cable: He really screwed up walking away from Maddy, but later, when they were reunited, he was mostly a good father. And if you read X-men in the last 13 years or something, you see that they really care for each other, like father and son really.
Scott, Rachel and Nate Grey: X-man never wanted Scott to be his father, and they got along fine. Yes, he could be more sensitive with Rachel, but she comes back attacking the woman he loves and pretty much demanding that he behaves like in the other reality, so what can he do? He showed already that he cares about her, and i think that eventually they will have some sort of father-daugher relationship, but she should understand this is a different reality and take it slowly.
And about Scott and Emma being stereotyped and undeveloped characters: Please! How many X-men received as much development than these two? Wolverine wasn't, because the tendency is the writers just keep him in his normal self to make money, Marvel doesn't want Wolverine married and with 11 children from several different realities. Certainly Jean wasn't, since she was always either Scott's girl or the Phoenix. When was the last time that Storm, Gambit, Iceman and most of the X-men received any character development? For me, only a few like Xavier and Magneto. I think that these people or just are not capable of seeing life beyond stereotypes, or just see what they want to see, and say Emma is only a cold-hearted b*tch, Cyclops the plain boy scout leader, Wolverine just a killing machine, Beast the funny-looking guy, etc. Being incapable of seeing beyond stereotypes is a problem not only among comic book fans, should be said.
As for people calling Emma a stereotype...I personally can't see it...Gambit yes because it's so blatant but Emma? She has so many levels and sides to her...more so then quite a few if not all of the X-Men ie Jean...one of the reasons I like Emma's character is because she's not a stereotype.
Heck if that's the case Jean is the typical girl next door...with a cosmic flash every now and again...yawn how boring...
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Are you trying to say something about me, wannabe??? 
I can see that!
How? 
